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Beauty
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7 Senses

Post by Beauty » Mon May 07, 2018 5:12 am

seeing
hearing
tasting
touching
smelling
feeling
thinking

There is no other sense besides these 7, other than the unknown.
(Intuition comes under feeling.)

However, it could be said that there's a myriad of senses each pertaining to an organ in our body that acts as a receptor of the sense, but to put it simply, we must consider 7 senses. For instance, the digestive system considered let's say is an organ then through this organ what is felt is a kind of another sense other than the 7 listed above and so forth for the respiratory etc. systems. But that would be masses of confusion so lets just keep it at 7 senses{not five, for I believe that feeling and thinking are also senses having valid organs - the spiritual heart(for feeling) and the mind(spiritual brain)(for thingking) to receive the senses.}.

If anyone wants to raise an issue, I can clarify further. I DO NOT FEEL NOR THINK - I sense. But these two senses sit so big we say feeling and thinking and forget that they are also senses.

Put more elaborately it goes like this:
I see, I hear, I taste, I touch, I smell, I feel, I think. Now say that feeling and thinking are not senses. You can't for they are senses.

The reason for considering 5 senses has been because for the other two senses - feeling and thinking, the organ is in our spirit, the organ is there and is not in our body. Body has connection to its spirit. The organ in our spirit is -
the spiritual heart(not the physical in our body to pump blood). It makes us feel.
the spiritual brain(called the mind)(not the physical brain to process information to and from the mind to body). It makes us think.
This would also be why when body goes, spirit there, all feeling and thinking - our essence is there.

Now, regarding plants:
They have the above 5 senses as follows: The computer can sense a button touched, it sees information flowing, it smells the environment and is affected accordingly but just like a cloth can smell of the air nearby, it tastes the minerals and will take accordingly just like a computer will reject something and not reject something else, hearing we know is there for you can talk to computers nowadays. The feeling and thinking not there means that consciousness is not there and so plants do not feel nor think. Plants are things that grow like a project or a house being built etc. Plants don't have a mind nor a spirit like ours nor consciousness. We are conscious being, plants are not. Plants are things that grow, live and die like computers, like batteries, like projects, like the net and web, but mainly like the net and web so we can have a constant supply of food, constantly regenerated(plants being like rechargeable batteries).

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by HexHammer » Mon May 07, 2018 8:22 am

Pure mad ignorant ramblings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon May 07, 2018 9:00 am

I've already anticipated this thread months ago:

https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtop ... 12&t=22312

If you expect me to rudely shut up, don't.

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon May 07, 2018 9:10 am

HexHammer wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 8:22 am
Pure mad ignorant ramblings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense
I agree Hex. It's senseless.

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon May 07, 2018 9:19 am

What's the difference between this thread and "invisible to the eye" in the OP?

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by osgart » Mon May 07, 2018 10:03 pm

Beauty wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 5:12 am
seeing
hearing
tasting
touching
smelling
feeling
thinking

There is no other sense besides these 7, other than the unknown.
(Intuition comes under feeling.)

However, it could be said that there's a myriad of senses each pertaining to an organ in our body that acts as a receptor of the sense, but to put it simply, we must consider 7 senses. For instance, the digestive system considered let's say is an organ then through this organ what is felt is a kind of another sense other than the 7 listed above and so forth for the respiratory etc. systems. But that would be masses of confusion so lets just keep it at 7 senses{not five, for I believe that feeling and thinking are also senses having valid organs - the spiritual heart(for feeling) and the mind(spiritual brain)(for thingking) to receive the senses.}.

If anyone wants to raise an issue, I can clarify further. I DO NOT FEEL NOR THINK - I sense. But these two senses sit so big we say feeling and thinking and forget that they are also senses.

Put more elaborately it goes like this:
I see, I hear, I taste, I touch, I smell, I feel, I think. Now say that feeling and thinking are not senses. You can't for they are senses.

The reason for considering 5 senses has been because for the other two senses - feeling and thinking, the organ is in our spirit, the organ is there and is not in our body. Body has connection to its spirit. The organ in our spirit is -
the spiritual heart(not the physical in our body to pump blood). It makes us feel.
the spiritual brain(called the mind)(not the physical brain to process information to and from the mind to body). It makes us think.
This would also be why when body goes, spirit there, all feeling and thinking - our essence is there.

Now, regarding plants:
They have the above 5 senses as follows: The computer can sense a button touched, it sees information flowing, it smells the environment and is affected accordingly but just like a cloth can smell of the air nearby, it tastes the minerals and will take accordingly just like a computer will reject something and not reject something else, hearing we know is there for you can talk to computers nowadays. The feeling and thinking not there means that consciousness is not there and so plants do not feel nor think. Plants are things that grow like a project or a house being built etc. Plants don't have a mind nor a spirit like ours nor consciousness. We are conscious being, plants are not. Plants are things that grow, live and die like computers, like batteries, like projects, like the net and web, but mainly like the net and web so we can have a constant supply of food, constantly regenerated(plants being like rechargeable batteries).
Well then there are two kinds of feelings:

The kind that come from the heart, and the other is neurological sensations.

Although i don't know if the kind from the heart produces any neuro-chemical reactions. But they might, i.e. crying and elation, peace, and some of those mystical feelings we all get when something inspiring happens.

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by Beauty » Tue May 08, 2018 4:12 am

osgart,
I don't know at present.

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by osgart » Tue May 08, 2018 6:31 pm

Nor do i.

And i dont know if anybody can even ask the right questions about it.

Why is there constancy and unity or singleness of being?

What is responsible for the loves, cares, hates, and ambivalences of the heart? Where does the heart reside?

How many functions are there in being alive?, functions like understandings, memory, certainty, and uncertainty, knowledge, heart, attitudes, judgments, conscience, and reason, to name a few. There is a whole inner world of actions, responses, and coordination, and organization.

Everyone talks about the mind, and feelings and the qualia of being alive. But there is yet more to a person than the experiences we go through.

So i wonder if the language used to describe consciousness is only part of the whole of being alive.

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue May 08, 2018 11:19 pm

Beauty wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 5:12 am
seeing
hearing
tasting
touching
smelling
feeling
thinking

Yes, I agree. Certain texts, I believe the the book of wisdom or psalms, in Judaic scripture references Solomon as quoting seven senses.

Considering the nature of "sight/hearing/taste/touch/smell" relate through our observation of physical concrete realities the nature of intuition would be the summation of these senses under the term "feeling". A "feeling" or intuition, in these cases would be an act of "sensing without form" considering the emotions themselves lack form except when identified as individual categories...but this categorization or "the applying of dimensions" exists through the seventh sense of thought.

Thought would the the further summation, or that which applies "limits" to the previous, in the respect is observes the limits of these different senses. "Feeling/Intuition" would be the subjective nature of an axiom, with "Thought" tending more towards the objective nature in the respect is observes "limit" through form as reason.


There is no other sense besides these 7, other than the unknown.
(Intuition comes under feeling.)

However, it could be said that there's a myriad of senses each pertaining to an organ in our body that acts as a receptor of the sense, but to put it simply, we must consider 7 senses. For instance, the digestive system considered let's say is an organ then through this organ what is felt is a kind of another sense other than the 7 listed above and so forth for the respiratory etc. systems. But that would be masses of confusion so lets just keep it at 7 senses{not five, for I believe that feeling and thinking are also senses having valid organs - the spiritual heart(for feeling) and the mind(spiritual brain)(for thingking) to receive the senses.}.

If anyone wants to raise an issue, I can clarify further. I DO NOT FEEL NOR THINK - I sense. But these two senses sit so big we say feeling and thinking and forget that they are also senses.

Put more elaborately it goes like this:
I see, I hear, I taste, I touch, I smell, I feel, I think. Now say that feeling and thinking are not senses. You can't for they are senses.

The reason for considering 5 senses has been because for the other two senses - feeling and thinking, the organ is in our spirit, the organ is there and is not in our body. Body has connection to its spirit. The organ in our spirit is -
the spiritual heart(not the physical in our body to pump blood). It makes us feel.
the spiritual brain(called the mind)(not the physical brain to process information to and from the mind to body). It makes us think.
This would also be why when body goes, spirit there, all feeling and thinking - our essence is there.

Now, regarding plants:
They have the above 5 senses as follows: The computer can sense a button touched, it sees information flowing, it smells the environment and is affected accordingly but just like a cloth can smell of the air nearby, it tastes the minerals and will take accordingly just like a computer will reject something and not reject something else, hearing we know is there for you can talk to computers nowadays. The feeling and thinking not there means that consciousness is not there and so plants do not feel nor think. Plants are things that grow like a project or a house being built etc. Plants don't have a mind nor a spirit like ours nor consciousness. We are conscious being, plants are not. Plants are things that grow, live and die like computers, like batteries, like projects, like the net and web, but mainly like the net and web so we can have a constant supply of food, constantly regenerated(plants being like rechargeable batteries).

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Re: 7 Senses

Post by Justintruth » Mon May 14, 2018 7:11 pm

I think that feeling and thinking are in another category.

And there are deep relations between them. Much of what we call feeling is a kind of thinking and some of what we call thinking - some alternative ontological states of mind, for example, are feeling/thinking. The divine perception of Being is definitely not some purely sterile intellectual experience. Our sexuality informs our feeling and thinking tremendously. Love is not just an emotion. Nor is Beauty. In some way it is the state of things. This is our mammalian heritage somehow. This association of the Good, with Being - the implementation of our survival instinct and urges to procreate and have the race survive.

Cute, for example. How does cute fit into your list. I see a small baby, or puppy and know it is cute. Is that a feeling?

But let me ask you something. Take a line drawing of a cube. When you look at that drawing you will see one face forward and one face behind. If you try you can make the picture change so that the forward face moves to the back and vice versa. The drawing did not change. And it is not just how you think of it for you can think that it is just a line drawing that can be "seen" multiple ways. When you try to change it it takes a short time where you are doing something in your brain and then WHAM it changes. What sense do you use to get that depth experience? How does it map to your list? It is not seeing exactly as there is nothing on the paper that causes light to change to your eyes when which face is forward changes. So is it thinking then?

Also, how do you know you are drunk? What sense in your list do you use there? How about heroin, or LSD? Different sense or the same?

I think that the brain is an organ that causes experiencing. That experiencing has character. You can set up the pathways into the brain: Digestion, Respiration, Genetic Inheritance, an external stimulus like a gunshot or an electrical probe inserted into your brain, blood, it can provide information -signals - causal pathways - to the brain, someday we may learn by injection, magnetic fields, gravity all affect the brain- what sense tells you what direction is up? - and finally Sensation itself where we mean those pathways that exist from our sense organ. Here there are five although pain and touch involve different sensory neurons I think - not sure exactly. What those signals do then is a separate thing from the pathways themselves. The types of experiencing is not the same as the type of pathway abstractly. We cannot switch our visual experiencing into our sense of smell (without instruments) now but in principle it can be done.

Sometimes I am driving and think I am heading north. Then I realize I must not be. I know I am actually heading south. Still for several seconds it seems like I am heading north. Then it all rotates. What sense is that? Not thinking because I knew I was heading south not north and it still "seemed" I was heading north. Where does it fit in your list?

So there is another inventory of what we are experiencing independent of any consideration of the pathway that caused it or if it were sensed independent of what it is. You may see a color but it could be really a stimulus provided a doctor with a probe, or if I rewire you, your ear but that is irrelevant here because in fact you still see a color. Edmund Husserl pursued this and came up with phenomenology. He came up with a process of the phenomenological reductions where you can gain intellectual understanding of the pure phenomenon on which to base science. Many decades latter the notion of qualia partially captured his work.

It is my belief that phenomenology will in the end inventory and precisely define the types of experiencing. Then something called "operators" in quantum mechanics will be developed so we can tell from the state of any physical system what it is experiencing. That means I am almost sure that we will find new primary colors at least. How many primary colors are there for an arbitrary device, not just for us humans? How far can we extend our sense of pitch in sound?

There may also be additional categories of phenomenal perception that you get if you configure matter in different ways. If so what are the number of categories. What is created by, tasting, touching, smelling, seeing, and hearing for sure. But are there, others that can be created as we gain engineering control of our neurology? ____-ing?

One thing that happens is that these phenomena lead to a kind of thinking. So if you see red that is one thing but after a while you get the meaning of red and I can refer to it with a word and that getting is not seeing itself - although perhaps it requires a memory. So I can think about red, that is one thing, but I do that only after I have had this meaning occur to give red a meaning in my thinking. It can then be more or less arbitrarily limited by defining it further. So where does the experience of the meaning and definition of the phenomena red fit in your system, not the phenomena red, and not the experiencing of red, but the experiencing of the meaning of red that we can talk about even when we are not seeing? Is it thinking? or is it sensation? Even if it is caused by and electrode?

What about memory? Where in your list is remembering. I am getting old and realize there is a whole phenomenology here that has not been yet formalized. Many times I can say "Yes, I know that I know that, give me a moment and I will remember" Now how is it I knew that I knew it if I really didn't remember, yet knowing you know it is not the same as remembering it and it does happen often now that I will realize I do remember it but in fact don't yet.

What sense do I use when I decide to move my left arm instead of my right. How do I sense what to do, which to do when I have already decided which I will do but have not yet done it? Is "making" the decision something that is not sensation of any kind? Or is it sensation too even though it creates a fact.

This whole thing I call the phenomenological spectrum. It is one side. The other are those subsets of material configurations that are the ones that cause some element in the set of possible experience-ings to occur. What we will have some day is the definition of those two sets: All possible brain states in all possible brains - including all the brains that have evolved but going far beyond to all of the possible configurations of matter that cause some sort of experiencing or other, and all possible phenomena, everything that can be experienced. Then we will get the operators that map one set into the other.

One of them will be "possible". How we perceive possibility and probablilty is a sense and it is often wrong.

So how I interpret your list is that it is a very early drafting of a kind of categorization of all possible phenomena.

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