Alan Watts - Do You Do It Or Does It Do You

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Re: Alan Watts - Do You Do It Or Does It Do You

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HexHammer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:53 am
between the lines wrote:Here is my summary of the Alan Watts contextual seminar of Do You Do It Or Does It Do You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbcanJOd3sU
One has to be unusual stupid in order to take this vid seriously! What he says is pure nonsense and babble, and the really big bomb comes when he says we can't exist with out the universe, and the universe can't exist without us.

All we need is the sun, and the universe doesn't need us ..FFS!!!!
Well it can be understood (at least) two ways:
- the one you wrote, that the universe literally couldn't exist without us
- that we are integral parts of the universe, so humans can't be treated separately from the environment, the two are inseparable; and also, there is no real dichotomy of voluntary and involuntary actions

Looks like the summary video rather meant the first one, which is indeed nonsense. The second one is correct, I'm not sure that Watts himself always meant the second one though, he was somewhat ambiguous on this one. Overall he was probably the best major philosopher/interpreter of the last century on this side of the globe though, that's how off you are.
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Re: Alan Watts - Do You Do It Or Does It Do You

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HexHammer wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:40 am
PeteJ wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:01 amAlan Watts is excellent. I'm sorry you don't 'grok' what he's on about. It would be a mistake to think that you do.

What he says is what the Buddha says, and Sadhguru, Lao Tsu, Al Hallaj, Meister Echhart, Rupert Spira, Osho, Sri Ramana Maharshi and so on.

It is not easy to grasp, but it will be impossible if you dismiss it as nonsense.

Your choice of course.
Are they scientists?!?! Did Buddha have a clue??!! ............NO?!?! He was so clueless that he used scent sticks with lead, if he actually had a clue he would outlaw lead in those damn sticks!
All the did was spewing outdated stuff, and you are too gullible and naive to see any of their flaws!
That is incorrect; Buddhism has actually held up quit well with science. There has been interesting dialogue between Buddhism and neuroscience.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:58 pm- the one you wrote, that the universe literally couldn't exist without us
Dear Retard, how did the universe exist before we existed? We have only exited for like 150000 years, yet the universe should be like billions of years old. You spew pure skitzo nonsense and babble!
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KLewchuk wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:20 amThat is incorrect; Buddhism has actually held up quit well with science. There has been interesting dialogue between Buddhism and neuroscience.
That's ONLY because they're good at meditating that science now wants to study, since buddhist monks can stay sane in isolation, in total darkness in Chinese prisons.
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Re: Alan Watts - Do You Do It Or Does It Do You

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HexHammer wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:11 am
KLewchuk wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:20 amThat is incorrect; Buddhism has actually held up quit well with science. There has been interesting dialogue between Buddhism and neuroscience.
That's ONLY because they're good at meditating that science now wants to study, since buddhist monks can stay sane in isolation, in total darkness in Chinese prisons.
Not true. Certain forms of Buddhism were never "faith based" but focused on a critical analysis of common subjective experience. Hence why it fits well with science.

The Dalai Lama famously said that if science ever disproved something about Buddhism... Buddhism must change. That is a dialogue.

I would also bet on the Dalai Lama, if I was a Tibetan man (love that joke). :-)
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Re: Alan Watts - Do You Do It Or Does It Do You

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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:58 pm
HexHammer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:53 am
between the lines wrote:Here is my summary of the Alan Watts contextual seminar of Do You Do It Or Does It Do You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbcanJOd3sU
One has to be unusual stupid in order to take this vid seriously! What he says is pure nonsense and babble, and the really big bomb comes when he says we can't exist with out the universe, and the universe can't exist without us.

All we need is the sun, and the universe doesn't need us ..FFS!!!!
Well it can be understood (at least) two ways:
- the one you wrote, that the universe literally couldn't exist without us
- that we are integral parts of the universe, so humans can't be treated separately from the environment, the two are inseparable; and also, there is no real dichotomy of voluntary and involuntary actions

Looks like the summary video rather meant the first one, which is indeed nonsense. The second one is correct, I'm not sure that Watts himself always meant the second one though, he was somewhat ambiguous on this one. Overall he was probably the best major philosopher/interpreter of the last century on this side of the globe though, that's how off you are.
Such videos may not do justice to the person, this is the situation in this case. The basic ideas are sound.
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Re: Alan Watts - Do You Do It Or Does It Do You

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HexHammer wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:10 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:58 pm- the one you wrote, that the universe literally couldn't exist without us
Dear Retard, how did the universe exist before we existed? We have only exited for like 150000 years, yet the universe should be like billions of years old. You spew pure skitzo nonsense and babble!
Did you read the rest of the comment, or are you a skitzo who can't concentrate on more than one sentence at a time?
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