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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by Belinda » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:52 am

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Actually you are wrong. This entity has 'manifested' itself to me for many years. I have little doubt, that many in the history of the creation of (man's) work - the bible, have also had direct 'manifestation' of this 'God' entity.
Is the 'God' entity which you have experienced a good and powerful entity? If so how can you explain the problem of evil?

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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by attofishpi » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:10 am

Belinda wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:52 am
Attofishpi wrote:
Actually you are wrong. This entity has 'manifested' itself to me for many years. I have little doubt, that many in the history of the creation of (man's) work - the bible, have also had direct 'manifestation' of this 'God' entity.
Is the 'God' entity which you have experienced a good and powerful entity? If so how can you explain the problem of evil?
Haha, far from it (good), but it had its reasons. Extremely powerful.

And evil? The only evil I see in the world is stupid humans and their abhorrent behaviour.

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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by Belinda » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:41 am

Attofishpi wrote:
Haha, far from it (good), but it had its reasons. Extremely powerful.

And evil? The only evil I see in the world is stupid humans and their abhorrent behaviour.
But the problem of evil is much much more than your own experiences.

There is not only abhorrent human evil but also natural evils that are not made by humans. How can an all-powerful God be just? If he's not just how can God be good? if not absolutely good how can you revere him any more than you might revere any quite good man?

Is The Bible your only reading about man's past?

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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by attofishpi » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:32 am

Belinda wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:41 am
Attofishpi wrote:
Haha, far from it (good), but it had its reasons. Extremely powerful.

And evil? The only evil I see in the world is stupid humans and their abhorrent behaviour.
But the problem of evil is much much more than your own experiences.

There is not only abhorrent human evil but also natural evils that are not made by humans.
By that I think you are referring to the likes of earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes etc etc..?
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:41 am
How can an all-powerful God be just?
I've been on this forum a long time and find myself having to constantly repeat myself. Are you suggesting we should exist in some sort of heaven?
Belinda wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:41 am
If he's not just how can God be good?
'It', is not ALL good.
Belinda wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:41 am
if not absolutely good how can you revere him any more than you might revere any quite good man?
Where have I stated I revere 'it'?
Belinda wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:41 am
Is The Bible your only reading about man's past?
Do you take me for a fool?

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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by Belinda » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm

Attofishpi, when God is spelled with a capital letter, as you did ,it is a personal name . It's the personal name of the Judeo-Christian god.

I naturally assumed that the deity you meant was the Judeo-Christian god with the attributes of absolute goodness, absolute knowledge, and absolute power. I have no idea which deity you are talking about.

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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by attofishpi » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:14 pm

Belinda wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm
Attofishpi, when God is spelled with a capital letter, as you did ,it is a personal name . It's the personal name of the Judeo-Christian god.

I naturally assumed that the deity you meant was the Judeo-Christian god with the attributes of absolute goodness, absolute knowledge, and absolute power. I have no idea which deity you are talking about.
Oh, and I have no idea where you are getting the idea of a God with the attributes:- absolute goodness, absolute knowledge, and absolute power.

Please cite your sources and include the relevant verbatim text.
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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by Belinda » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:55 am

There is no such thing as "a God". You should say "a god" , or alternatively "God". A capital letter denotes a proper name just as my name is Belinda with a capital initial letter, and I am a woman with a lower case initial letter.

I know it's confusing that God is a god, same spelling.

Perhaps if you read up on 'the problem of evil' you will understand better than I can explain it. I will try to find a link for you.

https://www.iep.utm.edu/evil-log/

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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by attofishpi » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:04 pm

Belinda wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm
Attofishpi, when God is spelled with a capital letter, as you did ,it is a personal name . It's the personal name of the Judeo-Christian god.

I naturally assumed that the deity you meant was the Judeo-Christian god with the attributes of absolute goodness, absolute knowledge, and absolute power. I have no idea which deity you are talking about.
So why don't you continue with your natural assumption and answer my statement:-

"I have no idea where you are getting the idea of God with the attributes:- absolute goodness, absolute knowledge, and absolute power."

Please cite your sources and include the relevant verbatim text.

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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by Belinda » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:48 pm

I cannot remember where I first learned it, Attofishpi.Must have been sixty or so years ago.

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Re: Ronald Beiner and his book "Dangerous Minds"

Post by attofishpi » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:00 pm

Belinda wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:48 pm
I cannot remember where I first learned it, Attofishpi.Must have been sixty or so years ago.
So since you are about twenty, it must have been in your previous life. :D

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