ENJOY MISERY ALSO THE SAME WAY LIKE HAPPINESS

[dattaswami]

The human being is reluctant to miseries and enjoys the happy situation. The human being can be compared to an ignorant child, who enjoys the sweets only and is reluctant to chillies. Hence, such a human being is ignorant. The grown up adult enjoys both sweets and chillies in the meals. Similarly, a realized soul enjoys both happy situation and miseries in the life. Therefore, it is only ignorance, which is the inability of art of enjoyment. God created this world with happiness and misery. People enjoy the cinema, which contains both pleasant scenes and tragic scenes.

Similarly, people enjoy both sweet dishes and hot dishes in the meals. People enjoy the day and night. People enjoy the hot summer and the cold winter. The whole life and creation is full of alternating happiness and misery. If a person can enjoy both happy times and miseries in the life, he is equal to God. You may say that God enjoys the creation from outside. God also enters the creation in the form of human incarnation and enjoys both pleasant times and miseries in the life span. We see this truth in the life history of Rama and Krishna. Therefore, if you always crave for happiness only and reject miseries, it is unnatural and also ignorance of a child. The knowledge of the Gita preaches that you should enjoy even a top most misery, which is the time of death.


If you enjoy both miseries and happy situations, you are in a continuous state of enjoyment. You think that continuous enjoyment comes only through continuous times of happiness in the life. It is not correct. You get bored if you are served only with sweet dishes in the meals. Boring is misery. Therefore, misery is inevitable like summer after winter and winter after summer. The Indians denote happiness through cooling. The foreigners represent happiness through warming, which is heat. Therefore, the happiness to one is misery to the other. What is the reason? The foreigner is mainly exposed to winter, which bores him. Therefore, for a foreigner, the heat is happiness.

The Indian is mainly exposed to summer and therefore, cool atmosphere is happiness to him. This is a practical proof that the enjoyment is not confined to happy scene or tragic scene only. This also proves that you can enjoy both happiness and misery. Therefore, it is ignorance to ask God for removal of misery and sanction of continuous happiness. Happiness should lie in the process of enjoyment. Whether it is misery or happiness, you will find real happiness in the process of enjoyment of both.

The happiness neither lies in the sweet dish nor in the hot dish. The happiness lies in the process of eating the dish, which may be hot or sweet. If this secret of life is known, you will never pray God for removal of problems and tensions. You will enjoy the problems and tensions and hence, there is nothing to pray God for something. Your prayer to God must be due to your attraction to Him for His excellent personality.

Your praise of God must be based on your love for His divine personality. But, today we find most of the people praying God for sanction of continuous sweet dishes. Therefore, the desire for something gets smashed if you know the secret of this concept. Hence, there is no meaning in wishing somebody for a happy new year because continuous happiness bores and leads to misery only. The aspiration for continuous happiness through out the year is based on foolishness and ignorance.

On the New Year, you must pray God thinking His divine personality and get attracted for His divine quality. You must at least achieve one of His basic qualities, which is enjoying both happy scenes and tragic scenes in the creation. On the Telugu New Year day, people generally take sweets and sour items mixed as offering of God (Prasadam), which shows the same concept of enjoyment of both happy and tragic movements in the life.

This is the divine knowledge in nutshell present in all the divine scriptures of all religions. This is essence of the Gita preached by Lord. He enjoyed continuously in His life and even in the last situation, when He was shot dead by a hunter. This is essence to be learnt and practiced by every human being in this world.

[Agent Smith]

On target mon ami, on target!

For me it boils down to a very simple formula: Fall in love!

[dattaswami]

On target mon ami, on target!

For me it boils down to a very simple formula: Fall in love!

I will give an example to show that this is practically possible. A child enjoys the sweet, but dislikes the hot dish since it tasted the hot dish once and felt the pinch of it. This means that the child did not enjoy the hot dish even once and hence, does not like to taste the hot dish again.
But, you take the case of an adult. He enjoyed the hot dish and hence, he tries to taste the hot dish again and again. The difference between the child and adult establishes the fact that the enjoyment and non-enjoyment of the hot dish does not lie in the dish, but lies in the attitude of the enjoyer.

Similarly, misery also can be enjoyed as in the case of enjoyment of hot dish by the adult. All the souls in the creation, who do not like the enjoyment of misery, resemble those children. The human incarnation of God enjoys the misery and infact, God comes down to the earth in order to enjoy the misery, which is totally absent in His upper abode.

In His upper abode, only happiness and praise of God persists by which God gets bored like in the continuous enjoyment of sweets. God called His gate-watchmen called Jaya and Vijaya and requested them to take birth as villains to give Him troubles on the earth so that He can enjoy the hot dish for a change[2].

The hot dish not only gives a variety of enjoyment but also serves as a break between two sweet dishes. Infact, the sweet dish after hot dish gives reinforced enjoyment. Thus, the hot dish serves a double purpose and is very important.

You may argue that the tragedy in a cinema can be enjoyed since we know that the entire cinema is unreal. But, the tragedy in life cannot be enjoyed like that since we know that the entire life is a reality.

God may enjoy the tragedy in the life of a human incarnation, since, for God, everything is unreal expect Himself. But, for a human being, the situation is quite different.

Since the soul is a part of unreal creation, the unreal creation cannot be unreal for the unreal soul. Unreal for unreal is always real. This argument is ruled out because even the soul can feel the creation unreal.

The entire creation is a modification of the cosmic energy. Matter is a modification of energy. All the static items are different forms of the energy only.

All the actions are different forms of kinetic energy. Infact, the space, which we consider as vacuum is also subtle invisible cosmic energy only.
This point can be proven through science. The special theory of relativity says that space bends along the boundaries of an object. If space is nothing, nothing cannot bend. Only if it is something, it can bend.

Therefore, there is nothing like nothing. The vacuum acts as a source of generation of galaxies. Therefore, the entire creation is nothing but different modified forms of cosmic energy. Even the soul is a form of nervous energy, which is a specific type of kinetic energy only, since the soul or awareness is only transformation of information from the senses to brain.

Thus, the soul can realize that the entire creation is basically a continuous quantum of cosmic energy only. In that case, all the forms like objects and all the activities are unreal with respect to the basic cosmic energy. When this is realized, the entire creation becomes unreal since there is only one real cosmic energy.

On realizing the unreal creation, the soul can enjoy the tragedy of life also as a tragedy of the unreal cinema. This monism (Advaita) is preached by Shankara to all the human beings. In His preaching to the souls, the ultimate absolute reality is cosmic energy, which can be called as Brahman.
The word Brahman can be applied to the greatest item of any category. The Veda is called as Brahman in the Gita since the Veda is the greatest book among all the books.

[Agent Smith]

Nice!

There's another way to look at it, but I find your interpretation way better. Nevertheless, to handle suffering like a "hot dish" seems a bit off the mark.

[Gary Childress]

Misery is miserable. If it ain't, then it ain't misery you're enjoying. It's sadism or masochism.

[Iwannaplato]

dattaswami wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:03 am
Therefore, if you always crave for happiness only and reject miseries,

The lie in this version of the same idea you have in another thread is that happiness and misery are the two states and also that when people do not enjoy misery all they want is happiness. No, what they want is a lack of misery. Which is only natural. And if God wanted us not to feel misery God gave us the wrong bodies.

Tell this crap to the woman (or man) just knocked to the ground and raped. Oh, you are like a child, enjoy your rape. Oh, how boring you are, just wanting just happiness.

Bullshit
Tired old trash recycled by a parrot mind.

A hatred of the human. It sounds nice. Accept the vagaries of experience. Be more open to variation.

But really it is the compassionless, hatred with a smile, aimed at our limbic systems. A lack of acceptance often presenting with implicit smugness.

If you and your God were truly accepting you would love the inner and the emotions, all of them.

For so long this crap has aimed its hatred at the emotions

No reason to stop a rape or torture, that would be picking between experiences. Oh, that woman over there getting raped,, perhaps she has been happy too much of the time and God has sent this rape to teach her what her soul really is.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

If you are happy being miserable then you aren't miserable, you are happy. If you are miserable being happy then you aren't happy, you are miserable...

[dattaswami]

If you are happy being miserable then you aren't miserable, you are happy. If you are miserable being happy then you aren't happy, you are miserable...

Several devotees are posing a problem on the concept of equally enjoying the happy and unhappy scenes in the life like the sweet and hot dishes in the meals or like the happy and unhappy scenes in a cinema. The enjoyment of the scenes in the cinema may be different from the enjoyment of the sweet and hot dishes in the meals. In the cinema, the happy and unhappy scenes roll alternatively, but, those are related to the story of somebody else. In the case of meals, you are directly eating the sweet and hot dishes. The enjoyment of sweet and hot dishes can be the exact simile to the enjoyment of happy and unhappy scenes in one’s own life. The reason is that in both these cases, the enjoyer is directly involved.

In the case of cinema, the enjoyer is not directly involved because the scenes are related to somebody else in the story. Therefore, as you have grown, you have become capable of enjoying sweet and hot dishes in the meals. In the childhood, which is the beginning stage of the life, you might have felt difficulty in enjoying the hot dishes and you enjoyed the sweet dishes only. The elders start giving hot dishes to the child in the childhood itself so that the child will not be bored by sweets in course of time if only sweets are continued. In the case of continuing the sweets, the child will never like any sweet in its life even after becoming adult. In course of time, you have started tasting the hot dishes introduced by elders with great reluctance and inconvenience. But, as time proceeded, you have overcome the reluctance and inconvenience in tasting the hot dishes. After sometime, you have developed the taste for hot dishes also and slowly you have started enjoying the hot dishes like the sweets.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

blah blah blah blah............

[Iwannaplato]

In the case of continuing the sweets, the child will never like any sweet in its life even after becoming adult. In course of time, you have started tasting the hot dishes introduced by elders with great reluctance and inconvenience. But, as time proceeded, you have overcome the reluctance and inconvenience in tasting the hot dishes. After sometime, you have developed the taste for hot dishes also and slowly you have started enjoying the hot dishes like the sweets.

It is an absurd and ultimately cruel analogy. Acquired tasts are about pleasure not misery. After learning a certain number of tastes we seek out other experiences.

Most adults never acquire a taste for seeing their loved ones raped or having their own eyelids removed. Because those experiences suck. They are not about varying the TYPES OF PLEASURE one can enjoy. They are miserable experiences.

[Gary Childress]

If you are happy being miserable then you aren't miserable, you are happy. If you are miserable being happy then you aren't happy, you are miserable...

Well said. Much better stated than I could ever do.

[Lacewing]

I'm inclined to think in terms of life and each day as being a gift, truly, whether or not it is experienced as misery or happiness. That can be hard to see/recognize in the moment when it might seem insurmountable or dramatic or uniquely significant. But looking from a broader perspective can reveal the beauty across the spectrum of experience... our own and humankind's.

The experiencer is the one who determines what to make of it... how to use it... and, in some cases, whether to be inspired or destroyed by it -- because people do all of it in vastly different ways! It is a magnificent play/demonstration of life and human potential.

As much horror and misery as there can be, there can also be as much love and joy. It's all there for we creators to craft the artwork of ourselves and our lives, in whatever form that might take.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I suppose someone being skinned alive could take some comfort from that.

[Lacewing]

I suppose someone being skinned alive could take some comfort from that.

Ah yes... horrific small-minded visions and scenarios. Brilliant material for your creations!

[Age]

Absolutely EVERY thing is relative, to the observer. Which obviously just depends on how one wants to LOOK AT and SEE things.