Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:54 pm
Hi, Gary.
I have met people who have been clinically diagnosed with this condition, and have, in fact, dealt with them for decades. For a long time, such people went undiagnosed, but now they are being clinically identified. As with all clinical diagnoses, there is some grey area. Some folks may have an authentic Oppositional Defiant Disorder condition (or "ODD") but others are just really cranky and rebellious.
Galileo was a guy who went around picking fights, for sure. So, obviously, is Noam Chomsky. But did they have a clinical disorder? Who can tell? It's possible, but by no means certain.
What is clear, though, is that whether for clinical or for personal reasons, some folks are unreasoningly rebellious. They lash out against authorities they do not need to be in conflict with, and create problems where none existed. So I suppose the most important thing is to know the difference. Unfortunately, since the '60s, essentially, people have tended to view "rebelliousness" as a sign of free-thinking and courage. It's been valorized beyond all reason, and has made "saints" of some obstreperous fools. The virtue of peacemaking, or of finding ways to direct authority into positive uses has been increasingly downplayed.
One good recent example would be the BLM riots. They are a terrific example of unfocused, purposeless, destructive rebellion. How setting a Foot Locker or church on fire conduces to the end of racism is surely obscure to everyone -- especially the rioters themselves. And it has produced no freedom or improvement of anything at all. Yet there are those who praise those riots as some sort of "protest." That's very ODD. It's opposition without focus, without purpose, without endgame. It's knee-jerk rebellion, rebellion from the gut and with no brain.
If there were NOT 'judgmental', 'ridiculing', ABUSING, and 'punishing' AUTHORITIES like the "christian" or "church" adult people, then there would be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to 'rebel against.
The reason people end up 'REBELLING' like they do is because of the ABUSE ALL 'authorities', ('you', adult human beings,) perpetrate on children.
Nothing could be MORE OBVIOUS. If 'you', adult human beings, did NOT ABUSE "others", then there would be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to REBEL AGAINST.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:54 pm
Behind them are different types, though: the Neo-Marxists. They know exactly why they are fomenting the riots. They believe, with Marx, that destruction itself is creative, because it leads to the triumph of the oppressed and to the ideal society; that the prerequisite to them getting into power is the destruction of the "oppressive" status quo.
Here is ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of just how RACIST and JUDGMENTAL this one REALLY IS.
Also, if the "church" abuses one as a child, then there is a PERFECTLY REASONABLE REASON to DESTROY that "church".
And, DESTRUCTION of that kind of "church" and 'authority' NEEDS to OCCUR.
If a group, or society, of people, for example, went and killed, captured, or enslaved another group, or society, of peoples, then the former group, and society, NEED to be BROUGHT DOWN, to Right the Wrong that they did. Or, do you KNOW of a BETTER WAY?
Because you are so BLINDED by your OWN views and BELIEFS here "immanuel can", you are IN COMPLETE DENIAL, and so FAIL COMPLETELY from being ABLE to SEE from the "other's" perspective, especially when LOOKING AT and INTO issues like this one here.
And, what is Truly HILARIOUS while OBSERVING your words here is wondering if 'you' would be the first to lay down and comply with ALL orders given to 'you', including crawling into the gas chamber, or if 'you' would be the first to contemplate and devise a plan on how to REBEL AGAINST, and BRING DOWN and DESTROY, the 'authority establishment'.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:54 pm
They don't have a personal, emotional stake in the riots at all; their stake is ideological and deliberate. They are not ODD...they are calculating and malevolent, and very focused on the purpose of obtaining power.
This is one way, and ANOTHER EXAMPLE, of QUICKLY USING a topic of discussion to EXPRESS, REVEAL, and SHOW one's OWN prejudices, racist, AND judgmental views and BELIEFS
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:54 pm
So who has joined that cause out of malevolence, who is well-intended by misguided, and who is ODD? Who really knows, since they all act out the same things?
When people are being 'authority figures' OVER "others", then those who BELIEVE that they have the 'authority' OVER "another" NEED to be, literally, BROUGHT DOWN, and brought back down to earth', as some would suggest.
People are "themselves". They do NOT 'need' "others" to TELL "them" what to do NOR what to think.
There is ONLY One Truth 'Authority' of EVER one, and that One is WITHIN EVERY one.