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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EBHv0k ... re=g-all-u

Title says it all. The war of cowards...
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The Voice of Time wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EBHv0k ... re=g-all-u

Title says it all. The war of cowards...
Once again showing your love affair for Russia Today, a completely discredited news source? It is to the socialist lefty scum what Faux News is to the Republicans.

Give me the number of people killed by drones. What tyou will find is just on the number of people killed, a wide range of figures. The differ by as much as 100%. If there is such a disparity, just on the number dead, then how can anyone give any percentage of civilians versus terrorists killed by drones? The answer is they can't.

When you cite to YT videos of RT crap, you just make yourself look like a retard.
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SecularCauses wrote:Once again showing your love affair for Russia Today, a completely discredited news source? It is to the socialist lefty scum what Faux News is to the Republicans.

Give me the number of people killed by drones. What tyou will find is just on the number of people killed, a wide range of figures. The differ by as much as 100%. If there is such a disparity, just on the number dead, then how can anyone give any percentage of civilians versus terrorists killed by drones? The answer is they can't.

When you cite to YT videos of RT crap, you just make yourself look like a retard.
Even though RT is the Kremlin mouthpiece , it covers stories the western media wouldn't dare touch.i'd give them credit for that. American foreign policy has been disgraceful for decades while flagwavers like you wonder why the rest of the world despise the US and perceive us as their enemy, not just for drones, for everything but most and foremost for our support to the Apartheid state of Israel, that was established illegally on the blood flesh, tears and sorrow of another nation.
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johngalthasspoken wrote:
SecularCauses wrote:Once again showing your love affair for Russia Today, a completely discredited news source? It is to the socialist lefty scum what Faux News is to the Republicans.

Give me the number of people killed by drones. What tyou will find is just on the number of people killed, a wide range of figures. The differ by as much as 100%. If there is such a disparity, just on the number dead, then how can anyone give any percentage of civilians versus terrorists killed by drones? The answer is they can't.

When you cite to YT videos of RT crap, you just make yourself look like a retard.
Even though RT is the Kremlin mouthpiece , it covers stories the western media wouldn't dare touch.i'd give them credit for that. American foreign policy has been disgraceful for decades while flagwavers like you wonder why the rest of the world despise the US and perceive us as their enemy, not just for drones, for everything but most and foremost for our support to the Apartheid state of Israel, that was established illegally on the blood flesh, tears and sorrow of another nation.
Russia Today is just a fake news agency. Go ahead, and give me the figures for the number of people who have been killed by these drone attacks? No one even has an accurate count. Give me your source and how the body totals were calculated. Then, show the evidence for the claim that most of these people were civilians? You won't find any such evidence, anywhere. The entire claim being made by this video is based on pure speculative bullshit. The only reason people like you and the idiot who started this thread believe it is because you want to believe it is true.
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SecularCauses, what do you feel is the most reliable source for the number of civilian vs the number of Taliban drone victims? I'm assuming you have one, to support your statements in this thread?

I agree with you about Russia Today. They are reliable only in the sense of being reliably unreliable. However, just because they report civilian deaths from drones, that doens't mean there aren't a lot of civilian deaths from drones. There are plenty of good journalists in Pakistan, for instance, who have reported on individual incidents.
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Johngalthasspoken:
...........American foreign policy has been disgraceful for decades while flagwavers like you wonder why the rest of the world despise the US and perceive us as their enemy, not just for drones, for everything but most and foremost for our support to the Apartheid state of Israel, that was established illegally on the blood flesh, tears and sorrow of another nation.

Well said. I agree
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RickLewis wrote:SecularCauses, what do you feel is the most reliable source for the number of civilian vs the number of Taliban drone victims? I'm assuming you have one, to support your statements in this thread?

I agree with you about Russia Today. They are reliable only in the sense of being reliably unreliable. However, just because they report civilian deaths from drones, that doens't mean there aren't a lot of civilian deaths from drones. There are plenty of good journalists in Pakistan, for instance, who have reported on individual incidents.
Of course there are a lot of "civilian"deaths from drones. Heck, had Osama been killed by a drone, that would have been a "civilian" death by drone. Most terrorists are civilians. So, the very title of the article lends itself to a fasehood right off the bat.

My point, however, was that no one has an accurate death count from the drones. Therefore, no one can rationally make any claim regarding the percentage of people who were "civilians" or "innocent". It's just not mathematically possible to take some initial data that is inaccurate and draw any accurate percentages from the inaccurate data. The article is simply relying upon people's hatred for America to fill in the missing gaps that evidence would otherwise have to fill in a non-prejudiced world.

And, who cares if there are good journalists in Pakistan? I can assume, for the sake of argument, that the person who is making the claim under discussion has never made a single factual error in his or her entire life, is the most rational person on earth, and yet, that would not make the claim under discussion any more true.
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reasonvemotion wrote:Johngalthasspoken:
...........American foreign policy has been disgraceful for decades while flagwavers like you wonder why the rest of the world despise the US and perceive us as their enemy, not just for drones, for everything but most and foremost for our support to the Apartheid state of Israel, that was established illegally on the blood flesh, tears and sorrow of another nation.

Well said. I agree
If we were to substitute the word "black" for "American" would you then be able to see your own bigotry?
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If we were to substitute the word "black" for "American" would you then be able to see your own bigotry?

IF I was a bigot, my choice.

"Black for American". That is a joke. America still discriminates against the negroes. So that will never happen. The Land of the Free. You may think so because you are not black. Change places with a negro for a week! and find out just how fair and just America is.
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reasonvemotion wrote:
If we were to substitute the word "black" for "American" would you then be able to see your own bigotry?

IF I was a bigot, my choice.

"Black for American". That is a joke. America still discriminates against the negroes. So that will never happen. The Land of the Free. You may think so because you are not black. Change places with a negro for a week! and find out just how fair and just America is.
That's why Obama is President? Because Americans hate blacks so much? Do you Australians have a black leader?

You are a bigot, and in many ways. Hating Americans is no more rational than hating blacks. While some people, not a lot on here, know that racism is irrational and immoral, many people do not feel the same about making prejudiced statements based on nationalism. For some reason, bashing Americans is considered the in thing to do. It's just as foolish and ugly as discriminating against a person because of their race.
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That's why Obama is President

Is that why? The naivety of the man. Grow up.

I don't spare my own country, discrimination in Australia is prolific, I have always said that.

The difference between you and myself is, I don't hate, I see.
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SecularCauses wrote: Once again showing your love affair for Russia Today, a completely discredited news source? It is to the socialist lefty scum what Faux News is to the Republicans.

what would you consider credible news sources forgy
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reasonvemotion wrote:
That's why Obama is President

Is that why? The naivety of the man. Grow up.

I don't spare my own country, discrimination in Australia is prolific, I have always said that.

The difference between you and myself is, I don't hate, I see.
You don't see your own irrational hate, which is right in front of you. Have you walked the streets of America? Spoken to numerous Americans? No. The fact is Americans would welcome you if you came for a visit, and you would not hear them bad-mouthing your country. Even Muslims who come from such places as Iran get treated fairly in the US, even those who chant "death to America," they are even tolerated. You have no idea who Americans are as a people, and you unfairly judge them. They are people from all over the globe, from all different walks of life, with amazingly divergent views. However, a common thread for Americans is a love for freedom of speech, tolerance, and equal treatment before the law. Sure, we aren't perfect, far from it, but the ongoing trend for America is to broaden the people who are given freedoms and rights, not to exclude these rights for people.

You hate what you do not know. That's typically the case.
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