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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:45 pm

Thats funny as its hardly mentioned in our news over here.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by bobevenson » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:18 pm

Arising_uk wrote:Thats funny as its hardly mentioned in our news over here.
I'm talking about adult media.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by chaz wyman » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:05 pm

Kayla wrote:my math teacher decided to spend todays class expounding on his views on politics and history instead of doing any math which is fine with me

but given the controversial views he expresses sometimes he is bound to get himself fired one day

i know todays rant offended some people

he said that the very narrative of usa founding is a load of lies

the revolution was supposedly a tax revolt right

but one of the first acts of the new government was imposition of new taxes - and brutal suppression of a resulting revolt - such as the whiskey rebellion - because of course the new government had to pay france a lot of money

so at the end only the ruling elites benefited from the revolution - everyone else just had to pay more taxes

so basically it was all a big scam

thoughts?
Yes it's a fraud. All countries are based on belief. All belief is fraud.

The Boston Tea Party is commonly misunderstood.
Ask most people are they say it was a revolt against British Tax: no taxation without representation?
The real situation was the the British vendors were offering TAX FREE tea, and the local rich merchants didn't like the Brits undercutting the price as they wanted to tax their imported tea.

Then there is the myth of democracy.
The war of Independence was fought to give ordinary people the vote: WRONG.
Compare the population numbers around 100 years later with the number of voted cast in the mid 19thC Presidential Elections. What you find it that less than 6% of the population were actually voting 100 years after the so-called democratic revolution.

Manifest Destiny??
Is it more than an excuse to commit genocide?

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by chaz wyman » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:06 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Kayla wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I hate to say this to you, but the USA is not the centre of the Universe.
yes i know that

but i was looking for more specific comments
I don't think you do know it. You are very arrogant without even realising it.
From my view it looks like you are the arrogant one here.
She is only asking for specific comments.
Whilst your comments were completely unhelpful and obvious.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by chaz wyman » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:10 pm

SecularCauses wrote:
Kayla wrote:my math teacher decided to spend todays class expounding on his views on politics and history instead of doing any math which is fine with me

but given the controversial views he expresses sometimes he is bound to get himself fired one day

i know todays rant offended some people

he said that the very narrative of usa founding is a load of lies

the revolution was supposedly a tax revolt right

but one of the first acts of the new government was imposition of new taxes - and brutal suppression of a resulting revolt - such as the whiskey rebellion - because of course the new government had to pay france a lot of money

so at the end only the ruling elites benefited from the revolution - everyone else just had to pay more taxes

so basically it was all a big scam

thoughts?
Why does a math teacher think he is entitled to get paid to teach math while teaching nonsense instead?

It is a non-issue. Let us suppose that America was founded on "fraud," whatever that means for a nation that was dedicated to slavery and took its moral "high-ground" from a slave-owning rapist, so? What does it matter? Is America today somehow tainted by such past acts? Isn't this an example of the irrational halo effect from neuroscience?

It is pure random chance where a person is born. Being an American is no more accurate in reality than calling oneself a British citizen, Irish citizen, Australian, etc. These are all fictional concepts, having as much to do with reality as invisible dragons in a garage. People are real, nations are fiction. People are responsible for their own acts, not for the history of a fictional nation. So, what was his point?
You have a moribund and blinkered view of what the job of a teacher is.
Offering challenging views to students ought to be the bread and butter of classroom activities.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by chaz wyman » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:11 pm

bobevenson wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I hate to say this to you, but the USA is not the centre of the Universe.
The USA may not be the center of the universe, but it certainly must be the center of the world according to the news.

Fox News

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:14 pm

chaz wyman wrote:
SecularCauses wrote:
Kayla wrote:my math teacher decided to spend todays class expounding on his views on politics and history instead of doing any math which is fine with me

but given the controversial views he expresses sometimes he is bound to get himself fired one day

i know todays rant offended some people

he said that the very narrative of usa founding is a load of lies

the revolution was supposedly a tax revolt right

but one of the first acts of the new government was imposition of new taxes - and brutal suppression of a resulting revolt - such as the whiskey rebellion - because of course the new government had to pay france a lot of money

so at the end only the ruling elites benefited from the revolution - everyone else just had to pay more taxes

so basically it was all a big scam

thoughts?
Why does a math teacher think he is entitled to get paid to teach math while teaching nonsense instead?

It is a non-issue. Let us suppose that America was founded on "fraud," whatever that means for a nation that was dedicated to slavery and took its moral "high-ground" from a slave-owning rapist, so? What does it matter? Is America today somehow tainted by such past acts? Isn't this an example of the irrational halo effect from neuroscience?

It is pure random chance where a person is born. Being an American is no more accurate in reality than calling oneself a British citizen, Irish citizen, Australian, etc. These are all fictional concepts, having as much to do with reality as invisible dragons in a garage. People are real, nations are fiction. People are responsible for their own acts, not for the history of a fictional nation. So, what was his point?
You have a moribund and blinkered view of what the job of a teacher is.
Offering challenging views to students ought to be the bread and butter of classroom activities.
He's a maths teathers. He's paid to teach maths.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by SecularCauses » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:07 pm

chaz wyman wrote:
SecularCauses wrote:
Kayla wrote:my math teacher decided to spend todays class expounding on his views on politics and history instead of doing any math which is fine with me

but given the controversial views he expresses sometimes he is bound to get himself fired one day

i know todays rant offended some people

he said that the very narrative of usa founding is a load of lies

the revolution was supposedly a tax revolt right

but one of the first acts of the new government was imposition of new taxes - and brutal suppression of a resulting revolt - such as the whiskey rebellion - because of course the new government had to pay france a lot of money

so at the end only the ruling elites benefited from the revolution - everyone else just had to pay more taxes

so basically it was all a big scam

thoughts?
Why does a math teacher think he is entitled to get paid to teach math while teaching nonsense instead?

It is a non-issue. Let us suppose that America was founded on "fraud," whatever that means for a nation that was dedicated to slavery and took its moral "high-ground" from a slave-owning rapist, so? What does it matter? Is America today somehow tainted by such past acts? Isn't this an example of the irrational halo effect from neuroscience?

It is pure random chance where a person is born. Being an American is no more accurate in reality than calling oneself a British citizen, Irish citizen, Australian, etc. These are all fictional concepts, having as much to do with reality as invisible dragons in a garage. People are real, nations are fiction. People are responsible for their own acts, not for the history of a fictional nation. So, what was his point?
You have a moribund and blinkered view of what the job of a teacher is.
Offering challenging views to students ought to be the bread and butter of classroom activities.
If the teacher wants to teach history, political science, philosophy, or similar subjects, then he should sign a contract to teach those subjects. Instead, he agreed to teach a course in math, and ended up wasting time on other matters having nothing to do with the subject. He could even start some after school social club to discuss his conception of history and politics after hours, and speak to those students who are interested in what he has to say. Instead, he took money to teach math and did something else instead. If you think that is honorable, moral, and a sign of being a good teacher, then I think you have some explaining to do.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by chaz wyman » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:15 pm

SecularCauses wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
SecularCauses wrote:
Why does a math teacher think he is entitled to get paid to teach math while teaching nonsense instead?

It is a non-issue. Let us suppose that America was founded on "fraud," whatever that means for a nation that was dedicated to slavery and took its moral "high-ground" from a slave-owning rapist, so? What does it matter? Is America today somehow tainted by such past acts? Isn't this an example of the irrational halo effect from neuroscience?

It is pure random chance where a person is born. Being an American is no more accurate in reality than calling oneself a British citizen, Irish citizen, Australian, etc. These are all fictional concepts, having as much to do with reality as invisible dragons in a garage. People are real, nations are fiction. People are responsible for their own acts, not for the history of a fictional nation. So, what was his point?
You have a moribund and blinkered view of what the job of a teacher is.
Offering challenging views to students ought to be the bread and butter of classroom activities.
If the teacher wants to teach history, political science, philosophy, or similar subjects, then he should sign a contract to teach those subjects. .
Nope!
All teachers also have a duty of care, pastoral duties and are exhorted to give their students life lessons and to challenge them by, amongst other things, placing their lessons.. in this case maths, in practical contexts, in this case, the ideological basis for taxation among many other things.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by chaz wyman » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:17 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
SecularCauses wrote:
Why does a math teacher think he is entitled to get paid to teach math while teaching nonsense instead?

It is a non-issue. Let us suppose that America was founded on "fraud," whatever that means for a nation that was dedicated to slavery and took its moral "high-ground" from a slave-owning rapist, so? What does it matter? Is America today somehow tainted by such past acts? Isn't this an example of the irrational halo effect from neuroscience?

It is pure random chance where a person is born. Being an American is no more accurate in reality than calling oneself a British citizen, Irish citizen, Australian, etc. These are all fictional concepts, having as much to do with reality as invisible dragons in a garage. People are real, nations are fiction. People are responsible for their own acts, not for the history of a fictional nation. So, what was his point?
You have a moribund and blinkered view of what the job of a teacher is.
Offering challenging views to students ought to be the bread and butter of classroom activities.
He's a maths teathers. He's paid to teach maths.
All teachers are expected to perform a range of duties whatever they teach.
So - no you are wrong.
See above, response to other moron.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by chaz wyman » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:18 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Arising_uk wrote:Thats funny as its hardly mentioned in our news over here.
I'm talking about adult media.

Keep your porn to yourself.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by reasonvemotion » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:27 pm

Is that the Russian cabbage recipe teacher?

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by chaz wyman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:19 am

reasonvemotion wrote:Is that the Russian cabbage recipe teacher?
That's too obscure for me.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:19 am

@chaz You are the one who is wrong. We aren't talking about ten year olds. At Kayla's level a maths teacher teaches maths. Not history, not sociology, but maths, unless some other topic is relevant in a MATHEMATICAL context.

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Re: was usa founded on a fraud

Post by John » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:39 am

bobevenson wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I hate to say this to you, but the USA is not the centre of the Universe.
The USA may not be the center of the universe, but it certainly must be the center of the world according to the news.
There's a guy in Gabon who also thinks Gabon is the centre of the world according to the news. You should look him up.

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