occupying wall street - will it do any good

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occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by JasonPalmer » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:07 pm

https://occupywallst.org/

is it effective ?

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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by Impenitent » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:11 pm

nope

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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by Pluto » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:58 pm

yes, it's a start.

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Post by Bill Wiltrack » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:20 pm

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This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29.
It is our first official document for release. We have three more underway, that will likely be released in the upcoming days: 1) A declaration of demands. 2) Principles of Solidarity 3) Documentation on how to form your own Direct Democracy Occupation Group.

This is a living document.
you can receive an official press copy of the latest version by emailing c2anycga@gmail.com.




Declaration of the Occupation of New York City


As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *




To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.












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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:43 pm

Stop voting for them then you numbnuts!

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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by Pluto » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:59 am

This is really good, thanks for posting Bill.

The enemy has been identified - in the words of Tiqqun:

To be totally clear
Our time is a battle.

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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by Typist » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:06 am

From what little I know so far (just what I read here) it seems far too sweeping and vague to be effective. This is the kind of thing activists do to make activists feel important.

It would be better to target a specific corporation for a specific action with a tactic like a boycott. There has to be a specific goal, a victory on the horizon somewhere, or you'll never engage the broader community.


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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by Pluto » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:32 pm

This is the kind of thing activists do to make activists feel important.
Yes, protesting against injustice makes people feel good and they must also feel that they're doing something important.

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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by JasonPalmer » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:47 pm

and yet...egypt....protests are dangerous ?

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Post by Bill Wiltrack » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:18 pm

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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by chaz wyman » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:04 am

Arising_uk wrote:Stop voting for them then you numbnuts!

Ahhhhh the Illusion of choice.

1) You can have a capitalist,

OR

2) You can have a capitalist.

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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by Bill Wiltrack » Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:31 am

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Livestream:

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution




People being arrested near Brooklyn Bridge 9:30


Reciting new declaration right now.


They do this nightly.




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Re: occupying wall street - will it do any good

Post by Bill Wiltrack » Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:48 am

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From Wiki:

Kettling, also known as containment or corralling, is a police tactic for controlling large crowds during demonstrations or protests. It involves the formation of large cordons of police officers who then move to contain a crowd within a limited area. Protesters are left only one choice of exit, determined by the police, or are completely prevented from leaving. In some cases protesters are reported to have been denied access to food, water and toilet facilities for a long period.













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