Sleeping Giants and Fading Empires

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Sleeping Giants and Fading Empires

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To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
The essential problem I think is the types of people that gain political power, in the case of many countries, the whole political field is one that is amoral with all the sensitivity of a group of psychopaths. I am thinking of the American government right now.
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:09 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
The essential problem I think is the types of people that gain political power, in the case of many countries, the whole political field is one that is amoral with all the sensitivity of a group of psychopaths. I am thinking of the American government right now.
Why are you thinking specifically of the American government? I get that you're angry at the US but I think it behooves you to acknowledge that it's a problem with a lot of governments, including that of Russia. Otherwise, you're not really getting to the heart of the problem, I don't think. I mean, America uses the same logic to justify its wars and incursions. Special pleading in order to justify the unjustifiable is the way corrupt government officials think. I think the better option is to step out of the box and denounce all the bad actors, not just one. Otherwise, I think you're just going to end up with someone else doing a lot of depraved stuff.

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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
Yep.. the World needs to grow up/mature and work together, for the sake of our home/our planet/Earth.

The lag is real, yo.
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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
Yes, Pollyanna.
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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
It is adult human beings who create 'the military' and 'the wars'.
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:09 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
The essential problem I think is the types of people that gain political power, in the case of many countries, the whole political field is one that is amoral with all the sensitivity of a group of psychopaths. I am thinking of the American government right now.
And, the types of people who gain political power are adults.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:19 am
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:09 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
The essential problem I think is the types of people that gain political power, in the case of many countries, the whole political field is one that is amoral with all the sensitivity of a group of psychopaths. I am thinking of the American government right now.
Why are you thinking specifically of the American government? I get that you're angry at the US but I think it behooves you to acknowledge that it's a problem with a lot of governments, including that of Russia. Otherwise, you're not really getting to the heart of the problem, I don't think. I mean, America uses the same logic to justify its wars and incursions. Special pleading in order to justify the unjustifiable is the way corrupt government officials think. I think the better option is to step out of the box and denounce all the bad actors, not just one. Otherwise, I think you're just going to end up with someone else doing a lot of depraved stuff.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ALL of the 'bad actors' are ALL of 'you', adult human beings, and NOT just one of 'you'.
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MagsJ wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:14 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
Yep.. the World needs to grow up/mature and work together, for the sake of our home/our planet/Earth.

The lag is real, yo.
But 'the world' does NOT need to grow up. Only adult human beings NEED to MATURE and GROW UP.

Blaming 'the world', or ANY thing else for that matter, for what is ESSENTIALLY adult human beings ONLY DOING is WHY CHANGE is taking SO LONG.
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commonsense wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:27 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
Yes, Pollyanna.
'Trying to' RIDICULE one for seeking out ways to BETTER 'the world' is ANOTHER typical response of some adult human beings.

Or, if you were NOT 'trying to' RIDICULE here, then what do you ACTUALLY MEAN here?
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commonsense wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:27 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
Yes, Pollyanna.
Beats risking armageddon. Where did wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan et al get us? Any moral clout our country once had has been squandered in wars driven by greed and fear. All we know how to build with any competence are weapons. Our infrastructure is a mess. We're becoming a third-world country while the far east grows in relatively peaceful prosperity. Where has militarism gotten us? It's gotten us the same place it got the Romans, the Greeks, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the British, etc. We're the strongest military in the world and yet that's not enough, we seem to be constantly under threat of some nature. The people of countless other nations that mind their own business don't seem to have that problem.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:46 am
commonsense wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:27 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
Yes, Pollyanna.
Beats risking armageddon. Where did wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan et al get us? Any moral clout our country once had has been squandered in wars driven by greed and fear. All we know how to build with any competence are weapons. Our infrastructure is a mess. We're becoming a third-world country while the far east grows in relatively peaceful prosperity. Where has militarism gotten us? It's gotten us the same place it got the Romans, the Greeks, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the British, etc. We're the strongest military in the world and yet that's not enough, we seem to be constantly under threat of some nature. The people of countless other nations that mind their own business don't seem to have that problem.
It is REFRESHING to SEE Honest reflections. So, thank you for this here "garry childress".
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Age wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:48 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:46 am
commonsense wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:27 am

Yes, Pollyanna.
Beats risking armageddon. Where did wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan et al get us? Any moral clout our country once had has been squandered in wars driven by greed and fear. All we know how to build with any competence are weapons. Our infrastructure is a mess. We're becoming a third-world country while the far east grows in relatively peaceful prosperity. Where has militarism gotten us? It's gotten us the same place it got the Romans, the Greeks, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the British, etc. We're the strongest military in the world and yet that's not enough, we seem to be constantly under threat of some nature. The people of countless other nations that mind their own business don't seem to have that problem.
It is REFRESHING to SEE Honest reflections. So, thank you for this here "garry childress".
You're welcome, Age.
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Age wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:38 am
commonsense wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:27 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
Yes, Pollyanna.
'Trying to' RIDICULE one for seeking out ways to BETTER 'the world' is ANOTHER typical response of some adult human beings.

Or, if you were NOT 'trying to' RIDICULE here, then what do you ACTUALLY MEAN here?
I only meant that such are the things dreams are made of.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:46 am
commonsense wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:27 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:09 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... eb99ec6bd0

To be honest, perhaps we should allow our military to fade into insignificance. Perhaps it will teach us to favor diplomacy more. Perhaps China would take the lead. However, how long would they be able to keep the lead before militarism degrades their culture and economy also? Wouldn't it be better to just bury the hatchet and for all nations to work more cooperatively toward peaceful prosperity?

What do others think? Is it time to put militarism out to the pasture and have more faith in diplomacy and humanity? Fuck militarism. Fuck fearmongering.
Yes, Pollyanna.
Beats risking armageddon. Where did wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan et al get us? Any moral clout our country once had has been squandered in wars driven by greed and fear. All we know how to build with any competence are weapons. Our infrastructure is a mess. We're becoming a third-world country while the far east grows in relatively peaceful prosperity. Where has militarism gotten us? It's gotten us the same place it got the Romans, the Greeks, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the British, etc. We're the strongest military in the world and yet that's not enough, we seem to be constantly under threat of some nature. The people of countless other nations that mind their own business don't seem to have that problem.
You are so very right and yet so very unrealistic.
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