WHY did you NOT mention parties or countries? Do you have some thing to FEAR here? Was there ANOTHER reason?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:18 amI'm not at all sure that's evident from the current political landscape. We have had men in power who (without mentioning parties or countries) are naive, foolish, demented, ideologically-possessed, selfish and even sexually predacious. And somebody voted for them.
Which is just ANOTHER definition for 'collective'.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:18 amBut voting supposes a collective response to issues in society.
Not really. It presupposes that the majority should make the decision about who is in power for a given time.
What do SEE is the DIFFERENCE?
But when there is a group of human beings thinking and/or doing the SAME WAY, then if that is NOT a 'collective', then what is 'it', EXACTLY?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:18 am Nobody needs to join a "collective" or conceive themselves as belonging to one, in order simply to vote.
Even the traditional society like the so-called "christians" sometimes practice that sort of community support. But, ALWAYS ONLY for a VERY SELECT FEW.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:18 amThere's a difference between Socialism, the ideology, and a "social program," Gary. One can be fine with, say, a employment insurance, or a charitable fund for the mentally ill, without thereby becoming a Socialist. That can be just charity, community effort, or good use of resources, and can be launched at the local, city or regional level, when necessary. If people want it, it can happen. Heck, even traditional societies like the Mennonites or the Amish practice that sort of community support.You seem to repeatedly drift from "I'm ok with some degree of social programs" back over to the idea that social programs are "socialist" and that "socialism/collectivism" is the epitome of evil in our time.
By the way "immanuel can" what does the word 'Socialism' even mean or refer to, to you?
I am VERY GLAD and HAPPY 'you' POINTED 'this' OUT.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:18 am But that's unrelated to the ideology of Socialism (notice the "ism" which marks a totalizing belief system).
What is 'that', EXACTLY, that you supposedly 'oppose'?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:18 am Socialism is a much more aggressive and ambitious ideology. And it's that that I oppose, for many reasons.
Did 'you', already, INFORM 'us' of what 'Socialism' IS, EXACTLY, to 'you'?
If no, then WHY NOT?