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From dictionary.com

wokeism:
Usually Disparaging. promotion of liberal progressive ideology and policy as an expression of sensitivity to systemic injustices and prejudices:
"She worked for nearly a decade at the university before she finally tired of the influence of wokeism."
“The only religion allowed around here is wokeism,” he complained.


Okay, but is there or is there not the conservative equivalent of this? Liberals go after those who don't think like they do about race or gender or sexual orientation or abortion or capital punishment or gun control or religion. What, and conservatives don't in turn insist that in order to be truly "awake", others are obligated to think as they do? There's not a right-wing rendition of "politically correct"?

Aren't the moral and political and religious objectivists here often fanatically "woke"? You think like they do or you are stupidly sound asleep to reality.
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Dictionary.com :lol:
That 'definition' is full of language bastardisation. When people give THEMSELVES a label that tells everyone else what wonderful human beings they are then it's inevitable that it will become an ironic insult. They are asking for it. Compliments have to come from OTHERS. You can't go around telling people you are 'handsome' or 'beautiful'. People will just laugh and think there is something wrong with you. Einstein didn't go around callling HIMSELF a genius. It was an honour that was bestowed on him by others. Did MLK tell everyone how 'woke' he was? Describe himself as a 'social justice warrior'? Of course not. He had a real cause, a job to do, and just did it.
And yes, conservative yank fuckturds have muddied the waters and called everyone who is left-leaning 'woke', and anyone who is 'woke' a 'leftie', confusing everthing. There's really no hope for the world...
'Wokie' is short, simple, and layered. 'Virtue-signaller' is good but cumbersome, doesn't 'say' as much and is lacking in irony. I'll stick with 'wokie'.
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iambiguous wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:12 pm From dictionary.com

wokeism:
Usually Disparaging. promotion of liberal progressive ideology and policy as an expression of sensitivity to systemic injustices and prejudices:
"She worked for nearly a decade at the university before she finally tired of the influence of wokeism."
“The only religion allowed around here is wokeism,” he complained.


Okay, but is there or is there not the conservative equivalent of this?
There isn't one, I suspect, for a very simple reason: wokism is collectivist, conservatism is individualistic.

Wokism emphasizes diversity of appearance, culture and morals, but uniformity of thought. Conservatism (at least the centrist, classical liberal kind), emphasizes diversity of thought, because "free speech" and "freedom of conscience" are central to its program.
...conservatives don't in turn insist that in order to be truly "awake", others are obligated to think as they do?
Exactly, so, but understandably so.

Classical-liberal conservatives take freedom of conscience as a primary right. (see Locke at al.) And as conscience differs among people, they don't refer to a singular paradigm of content as explicatory of all reality. They assume that people should be more or less left alone to make judgments for themselves, so long as they do not violate the basic necessities of civil order. So they don't have any particular ideological package they insist upon...theirs is a solution of political form, while the wokies are devoted to controlling the particular content of thought.

Meanwhile, "wokies" aren't actually "awake." They aren't even "awake" to proper English usage, let alone to reality. Why they imagine they are "awake" is that they think they have "seen through" reality to the truth about power that they imagine lurks behind it. So their word is an insult directed to their former state, when they were "unawake" to how CRT now "explains" everything for them.

In truth, though, they're just indoctrinated so badly they've become effectively blind to everything else in reality. To borrow a phrase from Chesterton, "in the clean and well-lit prison of a single idea," namely that everything can be explained by power dynamics expressed through race, culture, sex, and so on.

This, they imagine, has "awakened" them.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:45 pm Dictionary.com :lol:
That 'definition' is full of language bastardisation. When people give THEMSELVES a label that tells everyone else what wonderful human beings they are then it's inevitable that it will become an ironic insult. They are asking for it. Compliments have to come from OTHERS. You can't go around telling people you are 'handsome' or 'beautiful'. People will just laugh and think there is something wrong with you. Einstein didn't go around callling HIMSELF a genius. It was an honour that was bestowed on him by others. Did MLK tell everyone how 'woke' he was? Describe himself as a 'social justice warrior'? Of course not. He had a real cause, a job to do, and just did it.
And yes, conservative yanks fuckturds have muddied the waters and called everyone who is left-leaning 'woke', and anyone who is 'woke' a 'leftie', confusing everthing. There's really no hope for the world...
'Wokie' is short, simple, and layered. 'Virtue-signaller' is good but cumbersome, doesn't 'say' as much and is lacking in irony. I'll stick with 'wokie'.
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Entertainment alert!!! Entertainment alert!!! Entertainment alert!!! Entertainment alert!!! Entertainment alert!!!


Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:00 pm
iambiguous wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:12 pm From dictionary.com

wokeism:
Usually Disparaging. promotion of liberal progressive ideology and policy as an expression of sensitivity to systemic injustices and prejudices:
"She worked for nearly a decade at the university before she finally tired of the influence of wokeism."
“The only religion allowed around here is wokeism,” he complained.


Okay, but is there or is there not the conservative equivalent of this?
There isn't one, I suspect, for a very simple reason: wokism is collectivist, conservatism is individualistic.
Right. Like those who tune into Carlson and Hannity and Ingraham on Fox News aren't ferociously, in unison, nodding their heads to practically everything they hear.
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:00 pmWokism emphasizes diversity of appearance, culture and morals, but uniformity of thought. Conservatism (at least the centrist, classical liberal kind), emphasizes diversity of thought, because "free speech" and "freedom of conscience" are central to its program.
Okay, choose a context for us in which to explore this more substantively.

And here you are of all people! Your own "woke" mantra is that those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior will burn in Hell for all of eternity!! Including your best bud henry quirk if you are unable to save his soul in time!!!
...conservatives don't in turn insist that in order to be truly "awake", others are obligated to think as they do?
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:00 pmExactly, so, but understandably so.
As in "understand the issues as I do or you are wrong".

Then [of course] up into the intellectual contraption clouds:
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:00 pmClassical-liberal conservatives take freedom of conscience as a primary right. (see Locke at al.) And as conscience differs among people, they don't refer to a singular paradigm of content as explicatory of all reality. They assume that people should be more or less left alone to make judgments for themselves, so long as they do not violate the basic necessities of civil order. So they don't have any particular ideological package they insist upon...theirs is a solution of political form, while the wokies are devoted to controlling the particular content of thought.
Any "serious philosophers" in the house?
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:00 pmMeanwhile, "wokies" aren't actually "awake." They aren't even "awake" to proper English usage, let alone to reality. Why they imagine they are "awake" is that they think they have "seen through" reality to the truth about power that they imagine lurks behind it. So their word is an insult directed to their former state, when they were "unawake" to how CRT now "explains" everything for them.
See, he doesn't even recoginze how hypocritical this is! Like the liberals can't say much the same thing about the conservatives...issue by issue by issue. Only in regard to things like race, some of the conservatives here are not too far removed from, say, the Holocaust?

And what is Hell [for the atheists and Muslims and Jews and Shintos and Hindus and Buddhists and all other non-Christian denominations] but a Holocaust in perpetuity?
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:00 pmIn truth, though, they're just indoctrinated so badly they've become effectively blind to everything else in reality. To borrow a phrase from Chesterton, "in the clean and well-lit prison of a single idea," namely that everything can be explained by power dynamics expressed through race, culture, sex, and so on.
Same thing of course. Exactly what the hardcore liberal objectivists will tell you about the conservatives.
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iambiguous wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:12 pm From dictionary.com

wokeism:
Usually Disparaging. promotion of liberal progressive ideology and policy as an expression of sensitivity to systemic injustices and prejudices:
"She worked for nearly a decade at the university before she finally tired of the influence of wokeism."
“The only religion allowed around here is wokeism,” he complained.


Okay, but is there or is there not the conservative equivalent of this? Liberals go after those who don't think like they do about race or gender or sexual orientation or abortion or capital punishment or gun control or religion. What, and conservatives don't in turn insist that in order to be truly "awake", others are obligated to think as they do? There's not a right-wing rendition of "politically correct"?

Aren't the moral and political and religious objectivists here often fanatically "woke"? You think like they do or you are stupidly sound asleep to reality.
Yes, they invented it.
The moral objectivists invented "woke" as an insult to people who want to express an alternative view. "Woke" is used by moral objectivists like I Can to crush dissent and preserve their personal bigotry.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:48 pmThe moral objectivists invented "woke" as an insult to people who want to express an alternative view. "Woke" is used by moral objectivists like I Can to crush dissent and preserve their personal bigotry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
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henry quirk wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:47 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:48 pmThe moral objectivists invented "woke" as an insult to people who want to express an alternative view. "Woke" is used by moral objectivists like I Can to crush dissent and preserve their personal bigotry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:02 pm
You're welcome.
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Perfect. We have two morons from opposite sides of the spectrum here, neither of whom grasp the meaning of 'wokism'. Sculptor and Immanuel Can. Two agenda-driven idiots who are incapable of thinking past their personal politics.
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iambiguous wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:31 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:00 pmWokism emphasizes diversity of appearance, culture and morals, but uniformity of thought. Conservatism (at least the centrist, classical liberal kind), emphasizes diversity of thought, because "free speech" and "freedom of conscience" are central to its program.
Okay, choose a context for us in which to explore this more substantively.
??? I have no idea what you're thinking, here.

What "context"? What "explore"? How "substantively"? It's just a statement about what the ideology prescribes.
...some of the conservatives here are not too far removed from, say, the Holocaust?
Nowhere near so close as the Lefties were. National Socialism is ardently Leftist. It has all the trademarks: collectivism, nationalizing industry, regulating everything, suppression of political dissent, a one-party system, militarism, and capitulating to totalitarianism...the total Leftist package.

And to the Left, you can add the Holomodor, the Killing Fields, the Maoist and Stalinist purges...and an almost endless stream of economic debacles from which the involved countries have never recovered.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:22 am
iambiguous wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:31 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:00 pmWokism emphasizes diversity of appearance, culture and morals, but uniformity of thought. Conservatism (at least the centrist, classical liberal kind), emphasizes diversity of thought, because "free speech" and "freedom of conscience" are central to its program.
Okay, choose a context for us in which to explore this more substantively.
??? I have no idea what you're thinking, here.

What "context"? What "explore"? How "substantively"? It's just a statement about what the ideology prescribes.
...some of the conservatives here are not too far removed from, say, the Holocaust?
Nowhere near so close as the Lefties were. National Socialism is ardently Leftist. It has all the trademarks: collectivism, nationalizing industry, regulating everything, suppression of political dissent, a one-party system, militarism, and capitulating to totalitarianism...the total Leftist package.

And to the Left, you can add the Holomodor, the Killing Fields, the Maoist and Stalinist purges...and an almost endless stream of economic debacles from which the involved countries have never recovered.
Absolutely shameless!

Even as entertainment!!
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iambiguous wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:16 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:22 am
iambiguous wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:31 pm

Okay, choose a context for us in which to explore this more substantively.
??? I have no idea what you're thinking, here.

What "context"? What "explore"? How "substantively"? It's just a statement about what the ideology prescribes.
...some of the conservatives here are not too far removed from, say, the Holocaust?
Nowhere near so close as the Lefties were. National Socialism is ardently Leftist. It has all the trademarks: collectivism, nationalizing industry, regulating everything, suppression of political dissent, a one-party system, militarism, and capitulating to totalitarianism...the total Leftist package.

And to the Left, you can add the Holomodor, the Killing Fields, the Maoist and Stalinist purges...and an almost endless stream of economic debacles from which the involved countries have never recovered.
Absolutely shameless!
But true.

That's the problem for the Left...their own record, an unbroken record of human rights disasters and economic failure.
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See what I mean? Another moronic religious fuckturd misusing the word 'left'. Probably hates left-handed people too.
The entire universe is 'socialist' you stupid idiot. Everything is dependent on everything else.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:33 am
iambiguous wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:16 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:22 am
??? I have no idea what you're thinking, here.

What "context"? What "explore"? How "substantively"? It's just a statement about what the ideology prescribes.


Nowhere near so close as the Lefties were. National Socialism is ardently Leftist. It has all the trademarks: collectivism, nationalizing industry, regulating everything, suppression of political dissent, a one-party system, militarism, and capitulating to totalitarianism...the total Leftist package.

And to the Left, you can add the Holomodor, the Killing Fields, the Maoist and Stalinist purges...and an almost endless stream of economic debacles from which the involved countries have never recovered.
Absolutely shameless!
But true.

That's the problem for the Left...their own record, an unbroken record of human rights disasters and economic failure.
Just for the record, in no way, shape or form I'm I excluding the left from dogmatic, ideological thinking. Either philosophically or historically.

On the contrary, my point was merely to note that objectivists from both ends of the political spectrum engage in the "woke" mentality.

That and these points:

1]

Right. Like those who tune into Carlson and Hannity and Ingraham on Fox News aren't ferociously, in unison, nodding their heads to practically everything they hear.

2]

And here you are of all people! Your own "woke" mantra is that those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior will burn in Hell for all of eternity!! Including your best bud henry quirk if you are unable to save his soul in time!!!
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