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Do you have an answer as to why the Left hates Trump so exclusively?
They hate him cuz he didn't play ball, on their field, by their rules.

He may very well be a raper of women and children, a pocket-linin' con man, Putin's minion, etc., but none of that is why TPTB on both sides of the aisle hate him (most of them are doin' the exact same things).

He was my fat💥HAND GRENADE💥: he was my chubby ☠️SHIT-WRECKER☠️. He wasn't perfect: he was only better than the State-lovers currently meanderin' around the Halls of Power.
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by 'leftist', who do you mean, IC?

(a) democrat politicians
(b) democrat news reporters/journalists
(c) democrat working joes on the street

(a)'s hatred of trumpf is fake, because democrat politicians are bourgeois like trumpf. they have a mutual shrewd business understanding of the job of being a politician. you think biden gives a fuck about anyone anymore than trumpf does? well maybe a little more but its negligeable. Biden is simply doing a job, doing populism,  pandering to the lower working class, etc. not because he cares, but because he just ended up there. same with trumpf. if there wuz more money and prestige to be gained by running as a democrat, trumpf would be a leftist right now.

(b)'s hatred of trumpf is part career modus operandi, part personal, e.g., don't like his arrogant character, how unintelligent he is and sounds... but, I don't doubt that three quarters of, say, CNN news personel, don't much like Biden either. again, it's part of the job and comes with the territory. you have to hate on the right no matter who's in office.

(c)'s hatred of trumpf, of which i class my own (tho I'd not call it 'hate'), is a real man's grassroot disgust and down right gritty contempt. a workin man's contempt...  for guys with city hands, Mr. Hooper
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"He wasn't a homicidal maniac at all."

it's not known that lenin ever killed anyone. 'course a lotta killin happened on his watch, but let's be clear: it was war, son. They weren't passing out gift baskets.
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promethean75 wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:42 am "He wasn't a homicidal maniac at all."

it's not known that lenin ever killed anyone.
It's not known that Hitler or Mao did, with their own hands, either. So I guess you consider them innocent, too. :shock:
'course a lotta killin happened on his watch,

"On his watch?" By his orders: "Estimates for the number of people shot during the initial period of the Red Terror are at least 10,000..." (Wiki)
but let's be clear: it was war, son. They weren't passing out gift baskets.
I'm not your son. And the Red Terror wasn't "war." It was Communist repressions and executions, by the Cheka, of Soviet citizens.

"...the Red Terror was modeled on the Reign of Terror of the French Revolution, and sought to eliminate political dissent, opposition, and any other threat to Bolshevik power." (Wiki)

Lenin was a psycho of the same quality as Hitler and Mao. He was just a little less 'skilled' than they were.
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promethean75 wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:24 am (a) democrat politicians
(b) democrat news reporters/journalists
(c) democrat working joes on the street

(a)'s hatred of trumpf is fake, because democrat politicians are bourgeois like trumpf.
Yep. But they're not "bourgeois." That's an old Marxist term for the industrial mercantile middle class, actually. And nobody, not even the Neo-Marxists today, think Marx was right about them being the problem.

Today's Democrats are white and middle class, spoiled children of the Boomers and Millenials. And their leaders are aristocrats, not bourgeous. They're the Martha's Vineyard set. They're the colluders with and friends of the tech giants, the major suppliers, the financiers and the Military-industrial complex. They're the opposite, actually, of what Leftists say they are, of what they pose as being...friends of the lowly.
(b)...you have to hate on the right no matter who's in office.
Well, they don't hate Biden, and he's in office. They hate Trump, and he's not in office. And they may not have liked Reagan or Bush, but they never went after either like they have gone after Trump. That needs a better explanation.
(c)'s hatred of trumpf, of which i class my own (tho I'd not call it 'hate'), is a real man's grassroot disgust and down right gritty contempt. a workin man's contempt... 
Working men -- the truckers, the oil men, the line workers, the farmers, the lumberjack set -- like Trump rather than Biden. Read the polls. It's the urbanites, the Californians and New Yorkers and such, who are the core of the Democrats' support.

I wasn't optimistic you'd know, anyway.
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mannie do u even know what's going on? jesus this is embarrassing. the Bolsheviks were in the middle of a civil war man.

these people killed were either armed enemies of the bolsheviks or seditious dissidents who were perceived as threats to the revolution. i mean that's war you know, and it takes at least two sides to fight a war, btw.

ever thought about who the reds were fighting, the white army? or better, what russia would have reverted back to had the white army won?

you sayin you think eighty percent of the russian population should have wanted to go back to pseudo-serfdom and a peasantry existence while all of Russia's productive capacities are grossly mismanaged by some wealthy tzar?

you've gone mental, mate. lenin took russia leaps forward. and some king's army won't bout to stop em.
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promethean75 wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:56 am the Bolsheviks were in the middle of a civil war man.
The Bolsheviks were in a Communist revolutionary overthrow of the Czar. That's not "a civil war." That's an uprising and massacre.
lenin took russia leaps forward.
In technology? No. In culture? In economic terms? No. In social terms? No. In freedom? Definitely not. In homicide? Yes, he did. He's just behind Hitler and Stalin in that department.
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Yeah it wuz a political coup. They happen like every other day bro. Nuthin to be alarmed about.
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promethean75 wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:47 am Yeah it wuz a political coup. They happen like every other day bro. Nuthin to be alarmed about.
So...not a "civil war" after all. It lasted only a few months, in 1917.

Effectively, it was a massacre, really, and between tyrannical monarchy and barbarous Communism. There were no heroes in that fight...and ordinary Russians died in droves. Lenin committed his own thousands of attrocities, then set the stage for Stalin, who did far more.

He's not anybody I would quote in any positive context.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:47 pmSo I'm looking for the real answer. The only problem seems to be that the Dems are so deep in whatever dark space they're in, they're not even able to explain themselves.
I doesn't appear to have crossed your mind that there might be 'Dems' for whom politics is more than a popularity contest based on which allegations of sexual misconduct they choose to believe. Perhaps it's not the sort of American news you choose to follow, but if you could tear yourself away from the salacious, you might find out something about Donald Trump's policies. Some of those; tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, removal of health care programmes, are the sort of things that democrats dislike about most conservatives. Republicans know those policies will never win them the popular vote so the gerrymander districts and introduce 'voter integrity' regulations which, while they might make it difficult for ineligible people to vote, they also make it difficult for legitimate voters, particularly in areas where people are more inclined to vote Democratic. Trump not only is the figurehead for what Democrats are more likely call voter suppression rather than integrity, he also took it a step further and asked a secretary of state to "find 11 780 votes" to overturn election results. When that failed he endorsed a plan to send fake electors to Washington, and when that failed he drew his supporters to a rally where he encouraged them to march on the capitol and "fight like hell". Whatever your opinion of that may be, you should at least acknowledge that there is more to judge about Trump than just the allegations about him.
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commonsense wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:05 pm You say if the FBI can investigate anyone, then anyone cannot be president. Therefore Walker should resign from the Forum.
Would they bother with a backwater (2a) website?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... erals-to-/
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:47 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:37 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:17 pm

Yes, but IC clearly believes that Biden is shittier than Trump, and he can’t understand why anyone—including everyone now on this thread except him—would think otherwise.
I don't argue whether Trump is this or that. I'm not one of his groupies. If they want to say, "He's as bad as Biden," I have nothing much to say about that. Clinton's clearly worse. Biden's at least as bad, and plausibly much worse, though in somewhat different ways. And since the Left claims it's so high minded about what it alleges about Trump, I can't explain why they aren't similarly high minded about Biden or Clinton.

I could imagine that is was simple partisanship: they just don't like Republicans. Except, that explanation doesn't work, either. Because they aren't equally wound up about Bush or Reagan, or even about other Repubs in general. But for some reason, Trump seems to get under their skin much more than any before him -- and while they claim their objections to him are that he's immoral in some way, they have no similar concerns about Biden or Clinton. So that's not it...they're obviously neither high minded nor concerned about morality, nor even being merely partisan.

So I'm looking for the real answer. The only problem seems to be that the Dems are so deep in whatever dark space they're in, they're not even able to explain themselves.
Motivation for Tara to tell the truth includes a desire to be seen as someone who is very brave to come forward with the lurid details.
Yes, women just love to tell people they were cornered and digitally raped by old men. It really raises their "street cred."

Are you nuts?
Motivation to lie encompasses fame and money.
So now you want us to say that Tara Reade did it to get rich and famous? How do you assess that is working out?
But IC is right: everyone has a right to have an opinion, whether based on reason or not. Even so, he repeatedly asks the same thing: why do you hate Trump and why would you rather vote for Biden?
So, where's my answer?
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It seems, looking through the posts here that the highest form of derangement, is the delusion that the thread has nothing to do with Trump.
The highest form of Trump Derangement Syndrome is exhibited in a trope which suggest that Biden is not a very good person. THis rope collects a series of disinformed rumours, half truths, and innuendos concerning another person entirely and makes no reference at all to Trump.

There can be no finer and more absolute form of TDS than a person completely incapable of even considering looking into the myriad failings of Donald Trump.

This would be hilarious if it were not so sad.
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"So...not a "civil war" after all. It lasted only a few months, in 1917."

It wuz the problem of preventing the white army from retaking power after the October revolution and abolishing the soviet government, that drove the civil war, silly.

the bolsheviks took power because that russian provisional government beef between Kornilov and Kerensky screwed the parties all up and destabilized even further a country already in crisis. the october revolution was a decisive end to all that nonsense and fully justified by my estimate, considering the political atmosphere of Russia at the time.

but the Bolshevik party wuz only one of the many parties and factions from the RSDLP, all leftist and opposed to the russian monarchy, tho in disagreement about what to do.
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tillingborn wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:05 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:47 pmSo I'm looking for the real answer. The only problem seems to be that the Dems are so deep in whatever dark space they're in, they're not even able to explain themselves.
I doesn't appear to have crossed your mind that there might be 'Dems' for whom politics is more than a popularity contest based on which allegations of sexual misconduct they choose to believe.
Actually it has. But there isn't a single policy area in which the Biden administration is doing even so well as Trump: the economy, COVID, education, the military, the border, Afghanistan...so it isn't a policy thing, for sure.

And for Biden, what's the upside? His veniality? His sexual activities? His manifest cognitive and physical infirmity? His wisdom and insight? His rhetoric? His ability to hold himself upright?

No, I think it's a kind of ideological blindness, tied to the foolish longing for Socialism. And I think it's also subservience to a corrupt press. But why the Left wants to surrender its brain to Big Government, Big Business and Bid Media, I can't really say. And what sort of special threat, more than any candidate before him, allegedly, Trump represents to that remains obscure to me.

That's why I asked.
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