Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:20 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:55 am
We know that a baby in utero can make its own decisions. When she kicks, it's not because the mother told her to. When she gets hiccups, the mother doesn't. Her heart beats about twice as fast as the mother's does. When a needle is inserted into the amniotic sac to kill the child, she reacts away from it. And when she is pulled apart, she screams.
You can watch all that on the videos the abortion clinics choose never to provide to their "patients."
Really? I did not know that. I suppose it appears pretty barbaric, then.
Well, let me lay it out for you...
On second thought, maybe I'd better just refer you to sites on the procedure. If I describe it here, it's so vile and graphic I'm likely to get banned.
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You are BEYOND a joke "immanuel can".
Just SAY what you BELIEVE is true here. If you do NOT, then it could be inferred that you ACTUALLY have absolutely NOTHING to back up and support what you SAY and CLAIM here.
If you get 'banned', for just expressing what you CLAIM to be an ACTUAL TRUTH, then I will personally petition EVERY one here to request you be allowed back in.
But USING that as an EXCUSE for NOT expressing what you think or BELIEVE is TRUE and ACTUALLY happens or occurs is just being VERY WEAK indeed.
In fact if we can get the moderators or the only ones who could BAN you here in writing that they would NOT ban you, then would you provide what you SAY and CLAIM is "so vile and graphic", then would you PRESENT 'it'?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
So let's go another way.
If I go to my doctor to ask for my gall bladder to be removed, he doesn't do so without a definite medical necessity.
I am pretty sure with enough money a LOT of doctors would do just about ANY thing.
After all just look at ALL of the so-called "cosmetic surgery" that is done, and which some of remove parts of the human body with absolutely and definitely NO medical necessity at all. And, some of these completely UNNECESSARY procedures get done for very 'little' money.
The gall bladder is NOT even necessary. So, either you are NOT giving 'your doctor' enough money or NOT giving enough EXCUSE to remove your gall bladder.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
And he makes sure I'm informed. He takes scans, and then shows me them, and explains the data to me. He tells me everything about what's going to go on, and why, and what my alternatives are, and what the possible side effects of any choice are likely to be. That's what a good doctor does: he fully informs his patients. Today, we can give her a live, colour picture of her developing child. We can let her see every detail...the sex, the stage of development, the basic features...
ONCE AGAIN, you LOOK and SPEAK FROM a NARROWED perspective of things.
I suggest you START LOOKING AT and FROM the WHOLE, instead of AT and FROM just very SMALL PARTS.
That way you will NOT SAY and CLAIM so MANY Wrong and ABSURD things.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
We can show her the tools that will be used, what they will be used for, how the child will be dismembered, and all of that...just like it was a gall bladder removal.
If there are alternate treatments, where maybe I don't have to undergo the operation, my doctor is obligated to tell me all about them.
If a female NEEDS to be TOLD that there is AN ACTUAL ALTERNATIVE to REMOVING a fetus, baby, child, human, human being, person, or living thing, (or whatever else ANY one wants to call 'it') from their OWN womb, BEFORE 'it' is due, then just MAYBE that one NEEDS to be TOLD what to do.
But, FORCING females to HAVE babies is NOT providing them WITH ALTERNATIVE, treatments. Which, according to 'you' is what a 'good' doctor WOULD DO, and, is ALSO obligated to do.
So, BECAUSE there exists so-called 'alternate treatments' to birthing, where maybe females will NOT have to undergo an operation, their doctors are obligated to tell them about those those ALTERNATIVES. 'Abortion' is just but ONE OF THEM.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
If there's any chance a less invasive procedure could do the trick, I'm offered it. If it's possible for me to do nothing, and let nature take its course, that option is offered to me too.
And the laws says they can't sell my organs without my permission. And they have to be disposed of in the manner I specifically choose. They are mine, not the doctor's.
BUT, if you can NOT 'sell' them, then they are NOT 'yours' AT ALL. Which, once again, MEANS 'you' are CONTROLLED by the 'state' or the 'government' and 'their laws'.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
How come, then, that abortion clinics don't do that?
Does EVERY abortion clinic, ALWAYS, do what you are 'trying to' make out and CLAIM they do here?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
Why do they keep their "patients" in the dark about what they're doing?
Does EVERY abortion clinic, ALWAYS, do what you are 'trying to' make out and CLAIM they do here?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
Why don't they show them pictures of the entity within them?
Are you suggesting that NO female has EVER seen a picture of the unborn 'it' inside of them, and then DECIDED to have an abortion?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
Why don't they provide all the facts?
LOL If you BELIEVE 'your doctor' provides you with ALL the facts, then 'you' are MORE CLOSED and MORE STUPID than I first NOTICED and REALIZED "immanuel can".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
Why don't they ever mention adoption, or the wondrous choice of motherhood, or the potential of an alternate, less invasive course?
If you live in a country that does NOT mention 'adoption', or the SUPPOSED and ALLEGED 'wonderous choice of motherhood', (I say SUPPOSED and ALLEGED because of ALL of the UNKNOWN variables and circumstances that could exist, which the 'mentioning one' could well be KEPT UNAWARE OF. For example, would you TELL a female who was HAVING TO LIVE with the one who RAPED her and/or is being SECRETLY HELD CAPTIVE, of just how "wonderous" the "choice" of "motherhood" REALLY IS "immanuel can"? If so, then 'you' are far MORE DISTORTED and CRUEL than I first SAW and RECOGNIZED), and, if one lives in a country where they do NOT mention the potential of an alternate, less invasove course, to a prengnat female, then I suggest it IS TIME you take a GOOD LOOK at the ACTUAL country that you are LIVING IN and WANTING TO LIVE IN "immanuel can".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
In short, why do they thrive on misinformation, distraction, denial and diminishment of the whole process?
You say this as though they are the ONLY ones who do this.
I will suggest that if one was to take a GOOD HARD LOOK, then it WILL BE FOUND that EVERY adult, including 'you', "immanuel can", MISBEHAVES in these ways in one form or another at times.
So, only LOOKING AT "others" and JUDGING "them" is NOT doing 'you' ANY FAVORS "immauel can".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
Answer: because they know exactly what they're doing. And they know that having complete information would make many of their "patients" decide not to go through with the process.
Let us SEE 'you' PROVIDE the so-called 'complete information' "immanuel can", just so we can then pass on this "complete information", and then let us SEE for "our" OWN 'selves' would "patients" WOULD and DO ACTUALLY DECIDE.
Do 'you' have the so-called "complete information"?
If yes, then I am SURE you would have NO issue AT ALL of passing 'it' on, correct?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
Very few women could see a picture or sonogram of their child, understand what the procedure really involves, and then coldly say, "Now kill her."
I would suggest that NOT MANY women, nor females, would say, (warmly nor coldly), "Now kill her".
In fact I suggest that HARDLY ANY have SAID those words, even WITHOUT seeing a picture or sonogram of "their child", and/or WITHOUT understanding what the procedure really involves.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
So they keep all that hidden, and perform the "procedure" as quickly and with as much ignorance as they can arrange.
I suggest that some of them do 'it', quickly, so as to get 'the money' they can, as quick as they can. Just like the way MOST of 'you', adult human beings, do things.
What 'choice' does one "have" when they are NOT ALLOWED to have an abortion?
NO 'choice'.
Which, by the way, is a LOT LESS than 'some choice'.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 am
They give more information about a gall bladder.
Probably because it is NOT just a question about whether you WANT to abort 'it' or not.
'you' probably have MORE questions, which you WANT answered, and SO WILL SEEK OUT 'more information', from them.