So if Putin 'succeeds' in his war against Ukraine, do you think no one has a reason to despise him?
You regard Putin some kind of success? I don't, but if that's your idea of success it explains a lot about your views.
If "vladimir putin" achieves what "vladimir putin" aspires to achieve, then by 'you'r OWN definition "rcsaunders", then "vladimir putin" IS 'a success'.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:12 pm
As for. "despising," Putin, since he has nothing to do with me or anything that matters to me and I certainly don't know the man, I do not waste my time or emotional energy on those whose very existence is totally irrelevant to me.
Now this is THE TYPICAL RESPONSE from the Truly GREEDY and SELFISH. If 'it' does NOT affect me DIRECTLY, then I do NOT care WHAT HAPPENS.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:12 pm
"Despising," people is the hobby of the religious and political ideologists who think it is their business to judge the whole world.
"Despising" people is just what 'you', adult human beings, DO.
Which can NOT be 'excused' but the reason FOR is ALREADY KNOWN.
For all the reasons given in this thread that success is luck and for all the reasons given that success is hard work, it is clear that success is a conglomeration of the two. The more luck one has, the less hard work one needs to perform to achieve one’s desired goals, and vice versa.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:12 am
Why would anyone 'envy' a billionaire? There is no useful purpose in having that much money ....
Well then, call it hate or loathing. "You cannot BE a billionaire without STEALING it off the backs of the hard worker. Anything else said is a fucking con ..." doesn't exactly sound like praise and admiration. Its a totally irrational hatred. I personally knew (he's passed away) a man who used literally millions of his own money developing high-speed arithematic processing systems (mega-flops) that changed the whole face a signal processing. That's what millionaire's use their money for--financing the development and production of all the goods and services that make your life and your enjoyment of it possible. Just exactly where and how do the, "hard workers," get the wealth that is supposedly stolen from them? If it weren't for the businesses and factories produced by the wealthy providing the, "hard workers," jobs, they would have no income at all and would starve to death.
Not sure who you are preaching at. You seem to have a problem navigating comments and using the quote function. So you knew ONE 'millionaire' who 'blah blah blah..' Did what? Invested his money in his business? Wow. That's amazing.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:58 amWhat are your thoughts?
It has been known for---ever that the harder you work, the "luckier" you become.Think about this way...
Let's say you own a home. Your house [like all houses] requires a certain amount of maintenance and upkeep. Joe really isn't too keen on doing such things [as he would rather spend his time contemplating his navel] so he just takes care of the critical maintenance issues [broken hot water heater, etc.]. Bob, otoh, is a seriously hard worker and not takes care the regular issues which crop-up with any home, but he also takes a preventative approach by taking care of any nascent issue on a regular basis.
Predictably, Bob's house performs wonderfully as he rarely has to deal with any maintenance surprises whereas Joe is always having to deal with this or that [serious] issue in his house. Is Bob just lucky?
The same applies to pretty much everything in life, health, finances, relationships, etc. Of course, there are the occasional bizarre occurrences that take place [weather, war, accidents where you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time], and although these can be fatal, most of life is just routine things that anybody who is willing to work hard can decidedly tip the scale]of success in their favor.
It should be no surprise to anybody that 99.9% of the most successful folks out there [however you wish to define it] are very hard workers.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:42 pmThis is absurdly 'simple minded', as per your own self reflected choice in your avatar name here.
Since Absolute Simplicity is Absolute Truth, thank you for the compliment!
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:42 pmSo your 'simplistic' example is unconvincing and not logically compelling. And why, by the way, would you start off with assuming two equally wealthy people who owns a home? If one is satisfied with their home and do not want for more, do not 'need' it, (s)he is not NOT 'working hard' but uncomparable. The 'socialist' would be sufficiently satisfied with the house. If the other one is 'working hard', if not merely expending energy, he is most likely acting as an 'entrepreneur' which begs whether there is even a necessity to have whatever undefined goal this person would want other than to be greedy. A thief can "work hard" as much as an entrepreneur of some venture, in which a 'successful' thief WOULD prove to be a 'good entrepreneur' if not caught.
It appears as if you are over-thinking this a bit. Those who are hard workers are generally going to do better than those who are not. This should be obvious to everybody who has attended school.
I think luck is pretty prominent in success. I mean is it just a coincidence that most unsuccessful people live in undeveloped countries? If you think about it, it's absurd to believe that we aren't lucky to live in the first world. And it's absurd to think that some in the first world aren't luckier than others in the first world in terms of wealth, beauty, and opportunity.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:10 pm
I think luck is pretty prominent in success. I mean is it just a coincidence that most unsuccessful people live in undeveloped countries? If you think about it, it's absurd to believe that we aren't lucky to live in the first world. And it's absurd to think that some in the first world aren't luckier than others in the first world in terms of wealth, beauty, and opportunity.
Are you suggesting that it was 'lucky' that countries were colonised and went on to have the highest standards of living in the world? Shame on you!
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:10 pm
I think luck is pretty prominent in success. I mean is it just a coincidence that most unsuccessful people live in undeveloped countries? If you think about it, it's absurd to believe that we aren't lucky to live in the first world. And it's absurd to think that some in the first world aren't luckier than others in the first world in terms of wealth, beauty, and opportunity.
Are you suggesting that it was 'lucky' that countries were colonised and went on to have the highest standards of living in the world? Shame on you!
Lucky or not, which countries have been colonized and went on to have the highest standards of living in the world?
Or were you being sarcastic in your comment to Gary?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:10 pm
I think luck is pretty prominent in success. I mean is it just a coincidence that most unsuccessful people live in undeveloped countries? If you think about it, it's absurd to believe that we aren't lucky to live in the first world. And it's absurd to think that some in the first world aren't luckier than others in the first world in terms of wealth, beauty, and opportunity.
Are you suggesting that it was 'lucky' that countries were colonised and went on to have the highest standards of living in the world? Shame on you!
Lucky or not, which countries have been colonized and went on to have the highest standards of living in the world?
Or were you being sarcastic in your comment to Gary?
No sarcasm. Name a country that hasn't been 'colonised', apart from one tiny part of Africa?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:10 pm
I think luck is pretty prominent in success. I mean is it just a coincidence that most unsuccessful people live in undeveloped countries? If you think about it, it's absurd to believe that we aren't lucky to live in the first world. And it's absurd to think that some in the first world aren't luckier than others in the first world in terms of wealth, beauty, and opportunity.
Are you suggesting that it was 'lucky' that countries were colonised and went on to have the highest standards of living in the world? Shame on you!
Are you suggesting that you eat babies and rape little old ladies? How dare you??? I can't believe anyone would think like that. It's appalling!!!
It appears as if you are over-thinking this a bit. Those who are hard workers are generally going to do better than those who are not. This should be obvious to everybody who has attended school.
You place the cart before the horse, as others here may be doing. The one paying the worker has the power; the employer is the one who hires the worker, not the other way around. If one works on their own for their own, one can improve upon their condition because they guarantee their own rewards. The topic's reference for 'success' here is not about one's personal means to succeed when or where they have the sole power over their conditions. This is about success regarding one's relation to society and most significantly, those which can be measured in terms of common social value.
