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Dubious wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:12 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:52 am
Dubious wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:14 am It's only a matter of time before Taiwan gets invaded and especially so if NATO and the US gradually sign-off on Ukraine. If the other main powers are always ready to show their fangs let the West do likewise. Weakness is more likely to cause a war than prevent one.
Perhaps you are right. It would be nice if there were a possibility of all nations on Earth uniting behind a mutual need or desire to flourish on Earth. Unfortunately, however, that's appearing less and less possible given the ambitions of the current Chinese regime. Again, however, we have no one else to turn to than to look at the G.W. Bush administration and what they've done to the world. How coincidental that the administration was an expression of the political will of many evangelical Christians across America. Anti-globalism strikes again. "America-first" strikes again. "Yahweh or the highway", strikes again.
Things don't look good, that's for sure. It would be incredibly ironic if we, instead of having to deal with a hotter planet, it turns out to be in surviving a nuclear winter.

The most dangerous governments are the ones who believe god is always on their side.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns

Perhaps it gives us a better look at what perhaps happened in Germany in the 1930s. Like Trump, Hitler wanted to make Germany 'great' again after their debacle in WW1.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HErRFLapu4

And now here in America... Gott mit uns

The song above is very popular on contemporary Christain radio stations.
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Here's another popular one on the Christian charts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjaKKAsQc34

Another "flood"? Some embrace it.
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There doesn't seem to be a very good reason why the rock I stubbed my toe on shouldn't be brown. :mrgreen:
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One more take on Ukraine:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/02/opin ... -nato.html

America Is In Over Its Head
Thomas Meaney in the New York Times
President Volodymyr Zelensky was once a member of the peace-deal camp in Ukraine. “Security guarantees and neutrality, non-nuclear status of our state. We are ready to go for it,” he declared one month into the conflict. Now he calls for complete victory: the reconquering of every inch of Russian-occupied territory, including Crimea. Polls indicate that Ukrainians will settle for nothing less. As battles rage across Donetsk and Luhansk, Ukraine’s leaders and some of their Western backers are already dreaming of Nuremberg-style trials of Mr. Putin and his inner circle in Moscow.

The trouble is that Ukraine has only one surefire way of accomplishing this feat in the near term: direct NATO involvement in the war. Only the full, Desert Storm style of deployment of NATO and U.S. troops and weaponry could bring about a comprehensive Ukrainian victory in a short period of time. (Never mind that such a deployment would most likely shorten the odds of one of the grimmer prospects of the war: The more Russia loses, the more it is likely to resort to nuclear weapons.)


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Moreover, Russia has nearly switched its state onto a war economy setting, while the United States has yet to meet the war production needs of its foreign partners. The war has already used up 13 years’ worth of Stinger antiaircraft missile production and five years’ worth of Javelin missiles, while the United States has a $19 billion backlog of arms delivery to Taiwan. Western news reports have focused on the Russian men avoiding Mr. Putin’s draft orders, but the Kremlin still has plenty of troops to draw on, even after its call-up of 300,000 soldiers last September.

And let's not forget this part: the military industrial complex.

The weapons the West sends over to Ukraine do not just grow on trees. And I doubt that the arms industry is just giving Biden those weapons for free because it's a good cause.
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Of course, we're in over our heads. We've been spending trillions non-stop on things that go boom and destroy things since 1917. It's been one war after another. Some oil tycoon has a friend in Iraq who doesn't like his boss, so the friend in Iraq does a little schmoozing with the oil tycoon and the next thing you know we're sending guns and bombs over there to overthrow the oil tycoon's friend's boss (either to be used by them or else by our own people fighting their wars for them).

Enough is enough, already. Stop making weapons.
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Growing mass protests against NATO weapons supply to Ukraine


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXgwwz2zlaY
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reasonvemotion wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 6:51 am Growing mass protests against NATO weapons supply to Ukraine


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXgwwz2zlaY
If it's up to the people of Western democracies to put an end to the threat of armageddon, then let's take the lead. If the Russians can't stop their leader, then we'll have to stop ours. Maybe when they see what the West accomplishes, they'll follow suit.

And throw in some disciplinary action, or the legal proceedings to start it, against members of the GW Bush administration who turned the whole world on its head resulting in the deaths of many thousands across the globe by invading Iraq and Afghanistan while we're at it. It'd be a just bonus.
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The Ukraine crisis is American-made, it is American aggression. With the present shifting of global power with the introduction of the BRIC and with some twenty other countries lined up to join; this not only will undermine the American dollar; it will end America's quest for world dominance. The America empire is dying but it is still a danger to all the world in its unpredictable passing as the sole superpower. The BRIC = BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA, AND CHINA. America has not been a kind master, and at least half the world is reacting to that. Perhaps we can look forward to a saner world.
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Ucrane is in trouble. So is Russia.
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Agent Smith wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:26 am Ucrane is in trouble. So is Russia.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:15 am The Ukraine crisis is American-made, it is American aggression. With the present shifting of global power with the introduction of the BRIC and with some twenty other countries lined up to join; this not only will undermine the American dollar; it will end America's quest for world dominance. The America empire is dying but it is still a danger to all the world in its unpredictable passing as the sole superpower. The BRIC = BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA, AND CHINA. America has not been a kind master, and at least half the world is reacting to that. Perhaps we can look forward to a saner world.
I wonder where Canada will fit into things if BRIC takes over? Perhaps when BRIC is leading the world they can teach us all about BRIC "exceptionalism" and how to run our governments more like China and Russia?
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:45 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:15 am The Ukraine crisis is American-made, it is American aggression. With the present shifting of global power with the introduction of the BRIC and with some twenty other countries lined up to join; this not only will undermine the American dollar; it will end America's quest for world dominance. The America empire is dying but it is still a danger to all the world in its unpredictable passing as the sole superpower. The BRIC = BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA, AND CHINA. America has not been a kind master, and at least half the world is reacting to that. Perhaps we can look forward to a saner world.
I wonder where Canada will fit into things if BRIC takes over? Perhaps when BRIC is leading the world, they can teach us all about BRIC "exceptionalism" and how to run our governments more like China and Russia?
With such a spread of cultures and political systems I would suspect mutual tolerance would be the order of the day.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:52 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:45 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:15 am The Ukraine crisis is American-made, it is American aggression. With the present shifting of global power with the introduction of the BRIC and with some twenty other countries lined up to join; this not only will undermine the American dollar; it will end America's quest for world dominance. The America empire is dying but it is still a danger to all the world in its unpredictable passing as the sole superpower. The BRIC = BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA, AND CHINA. America has not been a kind master, and at least half the world is reacting to that. Perhaps we can look forward to a saner world.
I wonder where Canada will fit into things if BRIC takes over? Perhaps when BRIC is leading the world, they can teach us all about BRIC "exceptionalism" and how to run our governments more like China and Russia?
With such a spread of cultures and political systems I would suspect mutual tolerance would be the order of the day.
That's possible I suppose.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:50 am
Agent Smith wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:26 am Ucrane is in trouble. So is Russia.
Do expand!
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