No, no obfuscation, and no trying to force me to accept your conclusions. Just answer the question.
I'll repeat it:
"The question is, do you think human beings can have any say about what happens to them, or is that exclusively something you blame on God?"
Okay. Let's work forward.Yes,
Human beings have some say about what happens to them, you say.
That being so, they bear some responsibility for what happens.
That's not my question.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:41 pm No doubt. But let's think about that.
Maybe you can describe exactly how He'd do that. Let's play that out, and see how you think it would go.
Man wants to go to war. God's going to stop it.
How? What do you want Him to do?Huh?
Omnipotent: (of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything
My question is "exactly how"? Exactly how should God, if He's good, prevent the war. What are you expecting Him to do? Or to put it another way, exactly what hasn't he done, that you have noticed and had reason to say something like, "God hasn't done his job," or "God has failed to be moral by not doing the thing he should have."
What is that thing, exactly?
Well, you must think you can. Because if you can't know what God "should be" doing about the war in Ukraine, then you're in absolutely no position at all to say He hasn't done it?How would "I", fractured and fragmented in regard to conflicting goods of this sort, even begin to tell an omniscient God what He should do?!!
So you must know. What is it, exactly, that God has failed to do?
"Frown"? Really?...He could frown of those who profit from the terrible sufferingImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:41 pm Right. So exactly what would a "good" God, in your estimation, do in order to prevent that?
And how did you decide that God has failed to..."frown"?
No, exactly. I don't want some vague, general outcome you hope to see...like "somehow in some unspecified way, He'd make the war be over." That's not illuminating.He refuses to end in Ukraine.
I want the specific mechanics of how such a thing should be achieved, if as you conceive of it, God was doing the right thing.
Exactly how do you expect He should act in order to end the war in Ukraine? What has He, in your estimation, failed to do? Blow up tanks? Strike Putin dead? Give me the description of the means, not just the outcome you want.
And when you do, I'll have more to say about that.