The Great Reset

[FlashDangerpants]

Does it actually say "they want universal Socialism" or did you have to do a bunch of reading between the lines to get that one?

Read what they say.

They want an end to private ownership, redistribution, and no private property...you literally get to "own nothing," (Their words.) and "rent" (their words again) from the government. This, they call "stakeholder capitalism." Except that it's got no element of capitalism in it, except what the elites themselves get to practice. They also get to keep their property, of course. Everyone else becomes totally government dependent. And this, they call "social justice" and "equity."

Does any of your interpretation depend upon not believing certain things a person says because you find them untrustworthy?

It's not socilalism to rent a car, it's socialism to not be allowed to own a car because they belong to the state by the way. If you choose never to buy a car, but simply to lease a new model every three years you haven't been hoodwinked into communism.

I'm reasonably sure you can't find a quote in that book where the global elite gloats that the hoi-polloi will be permanently mired in state dependence.

This is all some very inferior paranoid ranting you are doing, it's more like being in a Pink Floyd concept album than 1984

[Immanuel Can]

Does any of your interpretation...

You're talking about things about which you, by your own admission, have no personal knowledge. Does any of your cavilling depend on you having read a book?

Clearly not.

[FlashDangerpants]

Do you have Spotify Henry?

I'm not even sure what that is.

a totally free market, completely choice driven move by consumers to quit purchasing stuff outright and to move to more flexible services.

Based on what I've read so far: none of it seems chosen; all of it seems forced and enforced. Ain't nuthin' in it smells of freedom much less free-market or -enterprise.

Why? You can still buy CDs and vinyl records if you prefer, nobody forces you to prefer to sign up to a streaing service instead?

we will have cars that can reliabably drive themselves.

No, you will. I can drive myself just fine.

They will be expensive to own, and it will be a waste to own one if it is unecessarily parked > 95% of the time as cars which cannot drive themselves around typically are.

In-city, parkin' is a problem; in-country, where I am, ain't no problem at all.

But cars which can dive themselves around can drive to wherever the next person with the right app is waiting to get a ride.

Hey, if you wanna rent or lease, or rely on a robot, do so: I own and -- as I say -- I drive myself.

You can still purchase a car if you want to, but the market isn't likely to go in that direction because few will consider it a wise allocation of their income.

Unless rural life goes belly up and everyone moves into a metropolis, that ain't happenin'.

There's no slavery involved.

I disagree: it's all very civilized, sure, but it's no different than Mr. Rilla's set up in veg's freedom thread. A cage is a cage no matter how well-appointed; a pet is a pet no matter how well-treated.

That makes no sense. Having more choices than before is not the same as salvery.

[FlashDangerpants]

Does any of your interpretation...

You're talking about things about which you, by your own admission, have no personal knowledge. Does any of your cavilling depend on you having read a book?

Clearly not.

I know what stakeholder capitalism means, and it isn't socialism.
https://www.investopedia.com/stakeholde ... sm-4774323

[Walker]

They want an end to private ownership, redistribution, and no private property...you literally get to "own nothing," (Their words.) and "rent" (their words again) from the government. This, they call "stakeholder capitalism." Except that it's got no element of capitalism in it, except what the elites themselves get to practice. They also get to keep their property, of course. Everyone else becomes totally government dependent. And this, they call "social justice" and "equity."

call it what it is: slavery

"communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership ..."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism

Replace "public" with "elites" and you've got "great reset," i.e., commie elites.

[Immanuel Can]

Does any of your interpretation...

You're talking about things about which you, by your own admission, have no personal knowledge. Does any of your cavilling depend on you having read a book?

Clearly not.

I know what stakeholder capitalism means, and it isn't socialism.
https://www.investopedia.com/stakeholde ... sm-4774323

You can consult the dictiionary, of course; but you don't know how THEY are using the term. They're not using that definition. They use it to mean, "taking the fruits of capitalism, and redistributing them Socialistically." Go look at their website, and you'll see.

Of course, this is a thing that they, themselves, have already declined to do with their own vast fortunes. (Let me know when your first cheque them arrives.) They are going to keep their own fortunes...or they could, at this very moment, be dispensing them to the public good. But they are going to hold onto what they have, thank you very much, and redistribute your money instead.

However, you should find out for yourself, instead of aimlessly arguing. It's not charming to discuss a matter with somebody who has determined to remain completely uninformed regarding it. So I invite you to read one of their books, or at least go to their own website and read what they, in their propagandistic jargon, openly admit about themselves. You will find it's none other than I have said.

[FlashDangerpants]

You're talking about things about which you, by your own admission, have no personal knowledge. Does any of your cavilling depend on you having read a book?

Clearly not.

I know what stakeholder capitalism means, and it isn't socialism.
https://www.investopedia.com/stakeholde ... sm-4774323

You can consult the dictiionary, of course; but you don't know how THEY are using the term. They're not using that definition. They use it to mean, "taking the fruits of capitalism, and redistributing them Socialistically." Go look at their website, and you'll see.

That seems not to be a verbatim quote?
This search
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22taki ... tically%22
Shouldn't have yielded this result:
No results found for "taking the fruits of capitalism, and redistributing them Socialistically".
Results for taking the fruits of capitalism, and redistributing them Socialistically (without quotes):

Perhaps you could direct us to the source of this definition you are using?

[FlashDangerpants]

As an aside, if you scroll down my link you get a bunch of quotes from Davos 2020, which I rather thought was what Mannie was whingeing about

[henry quirk]

Why?

This...

"The Fourth Industrial Revolution, finally, will change not only what we do but also who we are. It will affect our identity and all the issues associated with it: our sense of privacy, our notions of ownership, our consumption patterns, the time we devote to work and leisure, and how we develop our careers, cultivate our skills, meet people, and nurture relationships. It is already changing our health and leading to a “quantified” self, and sooner than we think it may lead to human augmentation. The list is endless because it is bound only by our imagination... Ubiquitous, mobile supercomputing. Intelligent robots. Self-driving cars. Neuro-technological brain enhancements. Genetic editing. The evidence of dramatic change is all around us and it’s happening at exponential speed."

...sounds like the leash to me. As I say: all of it seems forced and enforced. Ain't nuthin' in it smells of freedom much less free-market or -enterprise.

CDs and vinyl records

Slavery is good cuz you can listen to music just the way you want it.

That makes no sense. Having more choices than before is not the same as salvery.

The house dog, fat & happy, gets his choice of scraps from his master's plate; the wolf, lean & ragged, eats what he can hunt for himself or he goes hungry: one is free, the other is not.

Enjoy them scraps, guy.

[henry quirk]

commie elites

slavers

[Immanuel Can]

I know what stakeholder capitalism means, and it isn't socialism.
https://www.investopedia.com/stakeholde ... sm-4774323

You can consult the dictiionary, of course; but you don't know how THEY are using the term. They're not using that definition. They use it to mean, "taking the fruits of capitalism, and redistributing them Socialistically." Go look at their website, and you'll see.

That seems not to be a verbatim quote?

Well, here's a verbatim, from their own website, which you could have looked up yourself but were too lazy to do, apparently:

"...capitalism and socialism will need to merge to create a productive and inclusive economic and social model. Wealth has become abundant, thanks to capitalism, but it now needs to be more broadly redistributed, as socialists have long called for..."

That's what they mean when they say "stakeholder capitalism." Not capitalism itself, capitalism ongoing at all, but the redistribution of the 'spoils' of capitalism by converting to global Socialism. But they're also lying weasels, so they don't want us to see that's what they mean...hence, the tip of the cap to the achievements of capitalist economics, but the substance of all their proposals turns out to be redistribution of (other people's) wealth.

But to know that, you'd actually have to have read their fill economic proposals, as I have and as you refuse to do. Your continued determined and willful ignorance is not a great inducement to me for a prolonged conversation, however. So the rest, you can find out yourself, or choose not to know about it at all.

[FlashDangerpants]

Why?

This...

"The Fourth Industrial Revolution, finally, will change not only what we do but also who we are. It will affect our identity and all the issues associated with it: our sense of privacy, our notions of ownership, our consumption patterns, the time we devote to work and leisure, and how we develop our careers, cultivate our skills, meet people, and nurture relationships. It is already changing our health and leading to a “quantified” self, and sooner than we think it may lead to human augmentation. The list is endless because it is bound only by our imagination... Ubiquitous, mobile supercomputing. Intelligent robots. Self-driving cars. Neuro-technological brain enhancements. Genetic editing. The evidence of dramatic change is all around us and it’s happening at exponential speed."

...sounds like the leash to me. As I say: all of it seems forced and enforced. Ain't nuthin' in it smells of freedom much less free-market or -enterprise.

It does, but only if you make certain paranoid conpsiracy-theory laden asumptions. Othrewise it's just some overindulgent waffle about smartwatches being useful health diagnostic tools, and digital media delivery making niche pursuits available to wider audiences, and other stuff like that, some of it overblown sci-fi. My only problem with that paragraph is the sheer amount of marketing bullshit it contains.

[FlashDangerpants]

Remember I asked you
Does any of your interpretation depend upon not believing certain things a person says because you find them untrustworthy?

And you were trying to tell me you weren't intepreting, but quoting...

Does any of your interpretation depend...

I'm quoting them.

That's what they mean when they say "stakeholder capitalism."

Well you are clearly providing as uncharitable as possible an interpretation.


So, once again.
Does any of your interpretation depend upon not believing certain things a person says because you find them untrustworthy?
Bear in mind that you are already discounting those of their words which you don't want to include on the basis that they are untrustworthy "lying weasels"

[Immanuel Can]

Well you are clearly providing as uncharitable as possible an interpretation.

You wouldn't know, either way.

You know nothing. You just keep talking.

But you're boring me. So I'm not going to bother with you, unless you go read.

[FlashDangerpants]

they want universal Socialism for us

So ... no quote for that one then.