simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:41 am
What is the difference between 'the truth' and 'THE TRUTH', to you?
The former is intellectual truth, that is, each individual's truth as they perceive and "think" it. This intellectual truth is constantly changing with the conditions which give rise to it.
I agree.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
The later is Absolute Truth, that which lies outside of our ability to perceive.
If it lays OUTSIDE of what you are ABLE to PERCEIVE, then HOW do you KNOW that 'it' even exists?
Can you REALLY STILL NOT YET SEE the CONTRADICTION here?
Contrary to what you BELIEVE here is true, thee, or absolute, Truth can be, and IS, SEEN, or PERCEIVED, VERY EASILY, VERY SIMPLE, and ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, by the way.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
It is therefore non-intellectual and is not subject to change as it is "The Truth" each and every moment.
Yes this is True. Thee Truth is UNCHANGING, and even UNCHANGEABLE, for EACH and EVERY moment ALWAYS.
So, would you NOW like to suggest that 'that' is just your 'intellectual truth', which is CHANGEABLE, or thee, absolute, and UNCHANGEABLE Truth?
Because if you NOW want to CLAIM that it is the latter, then you will ONLY CONTRADICT "yourself", ONCE MORE, and AGAIN.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
One can experience The Truth by simply being with it, but never "understand" it.
Is this, to you, supposedly, an intellectual truth, or thee absolute Truth?
Because, ONCE AGAIN, if you want to CLAIM that it is the former or the latter, then you WILL CONTRADICT "yourself".
SEE, for ANY one of 'you' who wants to CLAIM that there is NO One Truth, NO absolute Truth, or if there is One, then this can NEVER be KNOWN, then just about EVERY thing you say regarding this will be 'SELF-CONTRADICTORY'.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:41 amWHY can 'your' so-called "intellectual" or ("intellect") NOT be very close?
Because our minds are limited.
'you', human beings, in the days when this was being written, could NOT even describe, let alone explain, EXACTLY, what this 'mind' this IS, which 'you' consistently go on about.
What is ACTUALLY 'limited' is the THINKING within human bodies.
Now, ANY one 'try' and REFUTE this.
And, if ANY one 'tries to', then what WILL be found is that they can NOT.
NOW, just because THINKING, itself, is 'limited' this, IN NO WAY, infers that some THOUGHTS can be of
what IS 'thee absolute Truth'.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Consider what is taking place in the Universe. That's The Truth. How much of it do you figure you are able to understand?
HOW MUCH has absolutely NO bearing AT ALL on the absolute Truths that ARE ALREADY KNOWN, and will BECOME KNOWN.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:52 am
My method [as it is for hundreds of millions] is meditation.
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:41 amYour 'method' for 'what', EXACTLY?
For getting as close as I can to truth.
Is this 'truth', little 't', which is NOTHING REALLY even worth considering, let alone talking about, or thee 'Truth', capital 'T', which you CLAIM you can NOT even PERCEIVE. Which ULTIMATELY MEANS you will NEVER EVER even KNOW if you are close or not.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:41 amAlso, WHY bother perceiving as close to Reality as one can get when, according to you, it is NOT even a possibility to get to Reality, Itself?
Furthermore, how would you EVER KNOW if you were close or not when you can NEVER get 'there'?
WHY do 'you' carry with you 'intellectual discrimination' for ANYWAY?
And, is the CLAIM that,
"The human intellect is not able to access Reality in any substantial manner." just your OWN 'intellectual discrimination"?
And if you want to say, "No", then HOW would you KNOW if you can NOT even access Reality NOR THE TRUTH, anyway?
All excellent questions. This is the problem with using the intellect for non-intellectual matters.
Well I suggest CHANGING your words, and/or language, of 'intellect' and 'non-intellect' to what is ACTUALLY True, and then you will find that you will NO problem/s AT ALL. Or, if you do, then they will be somewhat LESS.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
The intellect is only supposed to motivate people to search on their own for those answers.
But 'what answers'?
You CLAIM that you have found 'thee answer' that you will NEVER EVER find thee absolute True answer/s anyway.
So, what is the ACTUAL 'motivation' for people to search for answers when you KEEP TELLING THEM that they could NEVER EVER even find thee absolute True NOR Right answers?
You seem to be 'trying' as hard as you can to 'quell' ANY motivation there is at all is to find answers.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:41 amWHY can 'you' NOT access the present, when EVERY other animal LIVES 'in the present'?
Also, accessing 'the present' can be and is done almost INSTANTANEOUSLY, by ANY one. In fact younger human beings are doing this ALL the time.
How do you account for the time lag between stimulus and perception? What you are perceiving is already in the past.
Did you, SERIOUSLY and REALLY, NOT read the word 'almost' in my CLARIFYING sentence?
The word 'almost' accounts for the time lag between stimulus and perception PERFECTLY. That is HOW I ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR that 'time lag'.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:41 amWhat, EXACTLY, has the amount of information got to do with just being able to access some 'thing' or not?
If you would accept that all things are what they are because of the infinite number of things giving rise to them, how it is possible to understand anything?
VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLE if and when one is Truly OPEN.
If you would like to provide ANY example AT ALL of some thing you CLAIM could NEVER be understood, because one does NOT YET KNOW absolutely EVERY thing AT ALL, then let us take a LOOK AT that example, and then we CAN, and WILL, SEE what happens next.
SEE, I CAN understand that if the eyes of this body LOOK AT the sun, when the sun is not on the horizon, on a cloudless day, then there will be feelings of pain in this body, and that there will be damage those eyes. And, the thinking in this same body CERTAINLY does NOT KNOW much, NOR UNDERSTAND much, AT ALL in regards to EVERY thing that there is TO LEARN, KNOW, and UNDERSTAND.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:41 amYou do understand this Fact, correct? Or, do you STILL BELIEVE that 'you', mere mortals, have aboslutely NO access AT ALL to Reality or how things ACTUALLY work that this BELIEF of YOURS is STOPPING you from SEEING and UNDERSTANDING this Fact?
People do believe that they know how things work, but they always have no matter how ridiculous they seem to us now.
Is there absolutely ANY human being created contraption, which it is NOT KNOWN or NOT UNDERSTOOD how 'it' works?
If yes, then will you list them, or even just some of them for us please?
If no, then WHY NOT?
As for KNOWING how other things work, then this just comes about FAR MORE SUCCESSFULLY when the Unified Knowing comes to fruition.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Why do you believe it is any different now?
But I do NOT believe this.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Do you believe that we have truly figured everything out?
OF COURSE NOT. AND, WHEN will you get this MOST ABSURD NOTION out of that head.
Human beings will NEVER figure EVERY thing out. NO matter how long they exist for.
I have NEVER even thought this let alone said ANYWHERE that they could NOR would, and I would be VERY SURPRISE If ANY human being has even suggested that this could happen, ANYWHERE. So, WHY do you PERSIST with this MOST ILLOGICAL and NONSENSICAL concept?
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:52 am
After all, we are capable of so little when you begin to consider everything and its inter-relatedness.
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:41 amYET here 'you', mere mortals, are CONTINUALLY learning AND understanding MORE and MORE, as well as ANEW and ANEW, correct?
Yes, we do learn more and more, but all of this will be proven false with enough time.
NOT EVERY thing, in the past, to when this was being written, was PROVEN False. So, WHY do you ASSUME and/or BELIEVE that ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing 'you', human beings, have learned WILL be PROVEN False sometime ahead of 'you' "simplicity"?
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Why is that?
But what you CLAIM here is NOT 'thee absolute Truth'. What you CLAIM here is just your OWN 'intellectual truth'. Which will OBVIOUSLY be PROVEN False, Wrong, AND Incorrect, and as a matter of Fact has ALREADY been PROVEN False, Wrong, AND Incorrect.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Is humanity really getting closer to the truth of will we still be learning more and more 10,000, 10,000,000, or 10,000,000,000... years from now?
As long as 'you', human beings, REMAIN EXISTING, 'you' will keep learning MORE and MORE.
And, 'you' said above 'meditation' is used to get 'as close to The Truth' as you can, but here you seem to be question if you can EVER get close to 'The Truth?
Also, you ask here,
"is humanity really getting closer to the truth", which you had previously claimed is;
"intellectual truth, that is, each individual's truth as they perceive and "think" it", which means the answer to your question here would be EVERY one can NOT get ANY closer to 'the truth' as 'it' is each individuals OWN 'intellectual truth', as they perceive and think it.
I suggest if you WANT TO bring in unfamiliar usage of words like, 'The Truth', instead of, 'the truth', then you remain as consistent as you can possibly be. Especially when you are going to use BOTH, for DIFFERENT meanings.