I am asserting that one's own body is all that "property" can be agreed to minimally mean for all people. That is, the lowest possible "equality" of value or meaning for each person as 'proper' is the equity or value of their own physical body. So anything BEYOND that (to which I thought you were meaning by 'none') does not have an agreed ideal for what is proper to own beyond themselves and their own labor.
I said
none becuz -- as I say -- there's no equal distribution of property
If joe has 6 X, as long as he arrived at them without theft, those 6 X are his...he can share them as he likes or not
stan, who only has 3 X, has no claim on any part of joe's 6 X unless joe stole from stan, in which case stan has a claim against joe for those stolen Xs
That assumes way too much. You appear to disagree with what I am saying but expect me to be motivated to seek out why I am wrong elsewhere?
and you expect me to be motivated to repeat myself: if, in one way or another, I've already answered your questions in previous posts, isn't it a time and energy saver for both of us if you just just review the relevant threads? there's only 2 and neither is long
"Property ownership" beyond one's personal needs is 'luxury' by contrast.
so what? joe has 6X, he only needs 2X, the other 4 are luxury (personally, I think that extra 4 are an albatross), but he's taken on the responsibility of that extra 4 and, if he didn't steal 'em, I can't see how it's anybody's concerni
And so even claims upon land as 'property' is not a necessary feature of our individual selves by any nature other than what the collection of people decide to define such privileges as.
I think, as the expression goes, mixing one's labor with the soil does confer a right to it. Sensibly, can you look at a farmer, on his tractor, tilling, and say that field isn't his? would you claim he has no right to it? hundreds of hours and many seasons of labor on that plot and his claim to it is mere
privilege?
or my property (a small yard, a modest house): I've invested my time, energy, and money in to it. you'd say I have no real claim to it? you'd say I have no right to it?
That is, there is no Natural (nor God-given) 'right' to own anything other than your own local needs
yeah, I disagree...I'm a deist...I believe God created man with self-possession, reason, conscience, free will, and purpose...property -- that which we create, that which we make our own thru labors, that which we transact for -- is part & parcel of us as we are ourselves are our first, best properties
but in light of a good society, WE negotiate the degrees to which limits we allow for each other's privilege to rule as 'property' in a community or we are not a community.
my take...
