they're both racist

[Vitruvius]

Tory MP says people using term ‘white privilege’ should be reported to the Home Office as extremists
Jon Stone 1 hour ago

A Conservative MP has been criticised for suggesting anyone using the term "white privilege" should be reported to the Home Office as an extremist.

The Independent has obtained a leaked recording in which Jonathan Gullis says anti-racism campaigners using the term should be referred to the government's "Prevent" programme – which is meant to track down potential terrorists.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... d=msedgntp

I agree with the underlying point, but rather than Prevent - I would simply prosecute those using terms like "white privilege" for inciting racial hatred; and the same with this person:

Chelsea fan pleads guilty to posting racist and anti-Semitic tweets
Megan Baynes, news reporter 11 hrs ago.

A Chelsea season ticket holder has pleaded guilty to posting racist, anti-Semitic and hateful tweets about football players and fans, police have said.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ch ... uxbndlbing

Of course a Conservative MP would say that wouldn't he! He or even she is typically
privileged and mostly white.

Why do you think skin colour and/or socio-economic class status is relevant to what someone says? If you think it is relevant - does that sword cut both ways? Would you be comfortable saying an attitude is typical of a black person - i.e. they would say that because they're black? If not, then you're a hypocrite. And the only reasonable means of resolving that hypocrisy is to ignore arbitrary factors like skin colour, and focus on the truth value of what's said.

I think this is about the left, who engage in identity politics, stir up trouble - and then leverage that to virtue signal. The term 'white privilege' is an example of that. It is coined to incite racial hatred - albeit racial hatred against white people, so who cares? Not you!

So as I said, Conservatives are overwhelmingly ( See Boris's cabinet) white men or their power equivalents, honorary white men. Tories don't want to foment racial hatred Tories want to imply non-Tories foment racial hatred by such terminology.

Black persons , women, LGBT, are actually less powerful as demographic groups than white men. So these demographics have no need to use pejorative terms to characterise the obviously most powerful demographic. Sometimes the less powerful throw statues over the quayside which is less sneaky than bad language.

I'm surprised you think that statue toppling is less sneaky than that guy speaking his admittedly poor excuse for a mind. Slavery existed all around the world since the dawn of time; it is inherent to the human condition, and was only overcome by developing capitalist economics based on individualism - allowing for personal and political freedom. And you use that freedom to play identity politics with demographics, lumping me in by skin colour with the likes of Boris Johnson? And Rishi Sunak, Savid Javid and others are coconuts - so you can keep playing identity politics? You're smarter than this Belinda!

[Sculptor]

You are such a fucking dickhead

May I ask, has that sentence come to an end yet, or are we waiting for more? The lack of punctuation is throwing me.

Yes, well, we all know you are not very bright.
But since you are befeft of imagination i'll finish off the sentence for you.
You are such a fucking dickhead with knobs on.
I hope you are happy now.
A happy fool is so much more acceptible that a confused one.

I find myself waiting for some explanation of why, in your subjectively conceived view, I'm a fucking dickhead - for want of an exclamation mark, or a full stop. Assuming pro temp that's the entirety of your remark, the why - I can only speculate, is the puddle of shit behind your eyeballs!

WHy dont' you just consult your white privalege, maybe all the answers are there?

[Sculptor]

Tory MP says people using term ‘white privilege’ should be reported to the Home Office as extremists
Jon Stone 1 hour ago

A Conservative MP has been criticised for suggesting anyone using the term "white privilege" should be reported to the Home Office as an extremist.

The Independent has obtained a leaked recording in which Jonathan Gullis says anti-racism campaigners using the term should be referred to the government's "Prevent" programme – which is meant to track down potential terrorists.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... d=msedgntp

I agree with the underlying point, but rather than Prevent - I would simply prosecute those using terms like "white privilege" for inciting racial hatred; and the same with this person:

Chelsea fan pleads guilty to posting racist and anti-Semitic tweets
Megan Baynes, news reporter 11 hrs ago.

A Chelsea season ticket holder has pleaded guilty to posting racist, anti-Semitic and hateful tweets about football players and fans, police have said.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ch ... uxbndlbing

Of course a Conservative MP would say that wouldn't he! He or even she is typically
privileged and mostly white.

Indeed.
It's just another step into the UK's descent into fascism.
This Tory MP equates the use of the phrase "white privilege" with TERRORISM. A little extreme?
Proscribed phrases is one aspect of ideological control.
Mobilising the army for domestic economic acts is another.
Cutting social programmes.
Refusal to belong to international groups.
Racially defined immigration policy. That is making the policy "hostile" to black people.
Class based funding favouring privilege, whilst defunding or denying working class pursuits.
Obsessive flag waving.

[Sculptor]

I'm surprised you think that statue toppling is less sneaky than that guy speaking his admittedly poor excuse for a mind. Slavery existed all around the world since the dawn of time; it is inherent to the human condition, and was only overcome by developing capitalist economics based on individualism

No. It was developed by intellecuals, against captialist and imperialist, interests.
Emancipators and abolitionists were traduced as "socialists" and "agitators".

The degree of self delusion you exhibit is astounding

[Vitruvius]

I'm surprised you think that statue toppling is less sneaky than that guy speaking his admittedly poor excuse for a mind. Slavery existed all around the world since the dawn of time; it is inherent to the human condition, and was only overcome by developing capitalist economics based on individualism

No. It was developed by intellecuals, against captialist and imperialist, interests.
Emancipators and abolitionists were traduced as "socialists" and "agitators".

The degree of self delusion you exhibit is astounding

The abolitionists won. We're all abolitionists now! The statue thrown in the quay; Colston was born into a world where slavery was, and always had been a thing. It's dishonest; because it's intended for political effect in a world that's moved past that. Colston is long dead, slavery has been abolished - what the fuck are you protesting?

My grandfather was ill the day he took the 11-plus, failed, couldn't go to grammar school, and was put to work in the mines. War broke out and he was conscripted. He survived the war - came back to England psychologically injured, worked the rest of his life to pay the rent on a back to back terraced house, and died close to penniless.



This is a famous photo from the the Glasgow slums circa 1948. White privilege? You have no idea how offensive that is!

p.s. I warn you now, not to correct me about what the term "white privilege" actually means!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Tory MP says people using term ‘white privilege’ should be reported to the Home Office as extremists
Jon Stone 1 hour ago

A Conservative MP has been criticised for suggesting anyone using the term "white privilege" should be reported to the Home Office as an extremist.

The Independent has obtained a leaked recording in which Jonathan Gullis says anti-racism campaigners using the term should be referred to the government's "Prevent" programme – which is meant to track down potential terrorists.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... d=msedgntp

I agree with the underlying point, but rather than Prevent - I would simply prosecute those using terms like "white privilege" for inciting racial hatred; and the same with this person:

Chelsea fan pleads guilty to posting racist and anti-Semitic tweets
Megan Baynes, news reporter 11 hrs ago.

A Chelsea season ticket holder has pleaded guilty to posting racist, anti-Semitic and hateful tweets about football players and fans, police have said.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ch ... uxbndlbing

Of course a Conservative MP would say that wouldn't he! He or even she is typically
privileged and mostly white.

Why do you think skin colour and/or socio-economic class status is relevant to what someone says? If you think it is relevant - does that sword cut both ways? Would you be comfortable saying an attitude is typical of a black person - i.e. they would say that because they're black? If not, then you're a hypocrite. And the only reasonable means of resolving that hypocrisy is to ignore arbitrary factors like skin colour, and focus on the truth value of what's said.

I think this is about the left, who engage in identity politics, stir up trouble - and then leverage that to virtue signal. The term 'white privilege' is an example of that. It is coined to incite racial hatred - albeit racial hatred against white people, so who cares? Not you!

So as I said, Conservatives are overwhelmingly ( See Boris's cabinet) white men or their power equivalents, honorary white men. Tories don't want to foment racial hatred Tories want to imply non-Tories foment racial hatred by such terminology.

Black persons , women, LGBT, are actually less powerful as demographic groups than white men. So these demographics have no need to use pejorative terms to characterise the obviously most powerful demographic. Sometimes the less powerful throw statues over the quayside which is less sneaky than bad language.

You and Sculptor should get married. You are both hypocritical shit-stirring self-flagellating wokie wankers.
You are a bloody idiot. As if 'white men' cannot also be homosexual (incidentally an extremely powerful political group), and also, apparently,'women' according to wokies like you and your BFF.
So any 'non white' who votes tory over there must be an 'honorary white'? What a patronising, racist old mischief-maker you are...

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I'm surprised you think that statue toppling is less sneaky than that guy speaking his admittedly poor excuse for a mind. Slavery existed all around the world since the dawn of time; it is inherent to the human condition, and was only overcome by developing capitalist economics based on individualism

No. It was developed by intellecuals, against captialist and imperialist, interests.
Emancipators and abolitionists were traduced as "socialists" and "agitators".

The degree of self delusion you exhibit is astounding

The abolitionists won. We're all abolitionists now! The statue thrown in the quay; Colston was born into a world where slavery was, and always had been a thing. It's dishonest; because it's intended for political effect in a world that's moved past that. Colston is long dead, slavery has been abolished - what the fuck are you protesting?

My grandfather was ill the day he took the 11-plus, failed, couldn't go to grammar school, and was put to work in the mines. War broke out and he was conscripted. He survived the war - came back to England psychologically injured, worked the rest of his life to pay the rent on a back to back terraced house, and died close to penniless.



This is a famous photo from the the Glasgow slums circa 1948. White privilege? You have no idea how offensive that is!

p.s. I warn you now, not to correct me about what the term "white privilege" actually means!

I love that photo. They are so full of mischief and optimism.
They are lucky to have shoes though. My own grandmother was born here, and she said her over-riding childhood memory was of freezing cold feet because she never had any shoes to wear. It was a fairly large family and they lived in what looked like a shed. Then she knew extreme poverty again during the great depression, when she was married with her own children. That was just before the 'evil white govt.' brought in welfare.

[Sculptor]

I'm surprised you think that statue toppling is less sneaky than that guy speaking his admittedly poor excuse for a mind. Slavery existed all around the world since the dawn of time; it is inherent to the human condition, and was only overcome by developing capitalist economics based on individualism

No. It was developed by intellecuals, against captialist and imperialist, interests.
Emancipators and abolitionists were traduced as "socialists" and "agitators".

The degree of self delusion you exhibit is astounding

- what the fuck are you protesting?

Your delusion that a Tory MP denies a person's freedom of speech to UTTER the phrase "white privilege" and equate if with TERRORISM.

ANd your idiotic idea about the role of capitalism, which fought tooth and nail against abolition for 100s of years.

But what really pisses me off is your affrontery that a random picure of white kids somehow make that Tory MPs words worthy or relevant, that the existence of white poverty is an arguement in your favour.
You are a joke.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Your delusion that a Tory MP denies a person's freedom of speech to UTTER the phrase "white privilege" and equate if with TERRORISM.

ANd your idiotic idea about the role of capitalism, which fought tooth and nail against abolition for 100s of years.

But what really pisses me off is your affrontery that a random picure of white kids somehow make that Tory MPs words worthy or relevant, that the existence of white poverty is an arguement in your favour.
You are a joke.

I bet this person lives in a 'nice white' neighbourhood too. He should donate his home to some 'non privileged' non-white people. Perhaps one of those billionaire Indians or Arabs in the West End of London?
Wokie hypocrite should get off computer. It might have been invented by someone with 'white privilege'.
Wokies are fundamentally hypocrites who sit on their 'pedestal of moral superiority'. It's no different from trying to change the mind of a creationist. A complete waste of time and effort.

[Vitruvius]

I'm surprised you think that statue toppling is less sneaky than that guy speaking his admittedly poor excuse for a mind. Slavery existed all around the world since the dawn of time; it is inherent to the human condition, and was only overcome by developing capitalist economics based on individualism

No. It was developed by intellecuals, against captialist and imperialist, interests.
Emancipators and abolitionists were traduced as "socialists" and "agitators".

The degree of self delusion you exhibit is astounding

- what the fuck are you protesting?

Your delusion that a Tory MP denies a person's freedom of speech to UTTER the phrase "white privilege" and equate if with TERRORISM.

ANd your idiotic idea about the role of capitalism, which fought tooth and nail against abolition for 100s of years.

But what really pisses me off is your affrontery that a random picure of white kids somehow make that Tory MPs words worthy or relevant, that the existence of white poverty is an arguement in your favour.
You are a joke.

I'm surprised you heeded my warning. I didn't think you'd be able to resist - I had a whole speech prepared about how subjectivist post modernists can't dictate the meaning of the term "white privilege" because it's in the eye of the beholder. In your dogma - I don't know if you're aware of this, it's not what someone intends by what they say, it's what "the victim" perceives. That's why you're perpetually offended - but you'd deny me my offence, adopt a patronising tone and explain - with affected sighs and shaking of the head what white privilege actually means. Meanwhile the words blackboard and fruitcake are to be crossed out of the dictionary! And you say I'm a joke?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The only 'privilege' a child can be born with is to be loved and nurtured. It has nothing to do with money.
What wokies are essentially saying is that non white people make terrible parents. What a bunch of racists they are.

As an aside, it's ironic that 'white privilege' is an obnoxious American term (how surprising) when the wealthiest 'ethnic group' in the US is Asian Americans.

[Sculptor]

I'm surprised you heeded my warning. I didn't think you'd be able to resist - I had a whole speech prepared about how subjectivist post modernists can't dictate the meaning of the term "white privilege" because it's in the eye of the beholder. In your dogma - I don't know if you're aware of this, it's not what someone intends by what they say, it's what "the victim" perceives. That's why you're perpetually offended - but you'd deny me my offence, adopt a patronising tone and explain - with affected sighs and shaking of the head what white privilege actually means. Meanwhile the words blackboard and fruitcake are to be crossed out of the dictionary! And you say I'm a joke?

All your fillibustering aside.
Why are you standing in support of a man who wants to silence debate by equating WP with terrorism?

[Vitruvius]

I'm surprised you heeded my warning. I didn't think you'd be able to resist - I had a whole speech prepared about how subjectivist post modernists can't dictate the meaning of the term "white privilege" because it's in the eye of the beholder. In your dogma - I don't know if you're aware of this, it's not what someone intends by what they say, it's what "the victim" perceives. That's why you're perpetually offended - but you'd deny me my offence, adopt a patronising tone and explain - with affected sighs and shaking of the head what white privilege actually means. Meanwhile the words blackboard and fruitcake are to be crossed out of the dictionary! And you say I'm a joke?

All your fillibustering aside.
Why are you standing in support of a man who wants to silence debate by equating WP with terrorism?

I don't know how you think saying someone is wrong is supporting them. I'm saying there's something to what he says. I might say the same of you.... one day. It could happen!

[Sculptor]

I'm surprised you heeded my warning. I didn't think you'd be able to resist - I had a whole speech prepared about how subjectivist post modernists can't dictate the meaning of the term "white privilege" because it's in the eye of the beholder. In your dogma - I don't know if you're aware of this, it's not what someone intends by what they say, it's what "the victim" perceives. That's why you're perpetually offended - but you'd deny me my offence, adopt a patronising tone and explain - with affected sighs and shaking of the head what white privilege actually means. Meanwhile the words blackboard and fruitcake are to be crossed out of the dictionary! And you say I'm a joke?

All your fillibustering aside.
Why are you standing in support of a man who wants to silence debate by equating WP with terrorism?

I don't know how you think saying someone is wrong is supporting them. I'm saying there's something to what he says. I might say the same of you.... one day. It could happen!

The man you are supporting is the thought police, who is advocating treating people who use the term WP like terrorists.
What, exacly, do you not understand about the PREVENT programme?

[Vitruvius]

I'm surprised you heeded my warning. I didn't think you'd be able to resist - I had a whole speech prepared about how subjectivist post modernists can't dictate the meaning of the term "white privilege" because it's in the eye of the beholder. In your dogma - I don't know if you're aware of this, it's not what someone intends by what they say, it's what "the victim" perceives. That's why you're perpetually offended - but you'd deny me my offence, adopt a patronising tone and explain - with affected sighs and shaking of the head what white privilege actually means. Meanwhile the words blackboard and fruitcake are to be crossed out of the dictionary! And you say I'm a joke?

All your fillibustering aside.
Why are you standing in support of a man who wants to silence debate by equating WP with terrorism?

I don't know how you think saying someone is wrong is supporting them. I'm saying there's something to what he says. I might say the same of you.... one day. It could happen!

The man you are supporting is the thought police, who is advocating treating people who use the term WP like terrorists. What, exacly, do you not understand about the PREVENT programme?

Again, I don't know why you think I am supporting the man, rather than saying, as I am saying, he's right to be concerned about the term white privilege, but wrong to propose referral to Prevent. Rather I suggest those using the term white privilege should be prosecuted for inciting racial hatred. He's using a ladle to crack a nut!