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Walker
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Hostage Crisis

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Day 7

The US completed withdrawal from Afghanistan on August 30, 2021.
People who now want to leave the country risk their lives if they try.
They are hostages.

California woman in Kabul says Taliban ‘hunting’ for Americans in Afghanistan
https://nypost.com/2021/09/05/californi ... americans/

Question:
Could it be that those abandoned are not hostages, and that the Taliban is searching for US citizens and US collaborators for the purpose of transporting them out of the country because The Taliban has joined in a collaborative effort with Biden so they can be rid of the US occupation once and for all?
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They are hostages if and only if someone (eg. the US government) is trying to negotiate their safety. Do you have a problem with negotiating their safety, Walker? Would you prefer that the state department not negotiate with the Taliban?
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Walker wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:06 am Day 7

The US completed withdrawal from Afghanistan on August 30, 2021.
People who now want to leave the country risk their lives if they try.
They are hostages.

California woman in Kabul says Taliban ‘hunting’ for Americans in Afghanistan
https://nypost.com/2021/09/05/californi ... americans/

Question:
Could it be that those abandoned are not hostages, and that the Taliban is searching for US citizens and US collaborators for the purpose of transporting them out of the country because The Taliban has joined in a collaborative effort with Biden so they can be rid of the US occupation once and for all?
no i doubt that - as i know you do.

I think is is reprehesible that Bidon left 300-500? americans there (smost - 90 precent wish to leave - all for frewill so the other 10percetn good luck to ya). I think Bidon should hav re-inforce the airport with more troops to get the 90-percent out of there - american - not afgans (sorry i know ideally both - but when shit bits the fan - like in Nam - Americans frist and formost) - he failed to do so - i think personally its a act of treason. American gov has a legal obligatiosn to secure transur out of hostile territiry of all american citizens - PERIOD!!!!!!!! - so ya i'm pissed off over this - Bidon has betrayed his oath of iffice in my mind.


per the Taliban - how smart are they vs 20 yrs ago - will they take hostages? or will that "help" find americans who wish to leave for some coin/millitary equipment?

I'm not sure if the Taliban of today is a rube as that of 20 yrs ago - we'll see how they play thier cards.

also not sure how - solid Afghanistan is - Taliban seem to have it sown up - but in a years or so where will Isis be? - might be a civil war there bet Taliban and Isisi.again we shall se.


either way - America is out of it - so the news will shift away from - Afghan what? Lyria Samolia what? - folskk still there with feidoms and civil wars in those lands - but mainline american media never mentions them.

just like nam - we LOST - so FOREGT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE - then play the fiction there was never the land of Nam (Hyproscircy here is that 98-percent of the dad in Nam was not Ameircans - nor Assuies - but Veitnamese!!!!!! -.

pathetic all around.

- good luck to all Afghans who only wish to stay alive with their familiy in their homeland - they'll need it.
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mickthinks wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:50 pm They are hostages if and only if someone (eg. the US government) is trying to negotiate their safety.
Wrong.

Do you have a problem with negotiating their safety, Walker?
Stupid question.

Would you prefer that the state department not negotiate with the Taliban?
Stupid question.
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gaffo wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:39 pm ...
Yep. Biden created the situation. He is a danger to the country and the world. He should be removed from office. There is no talk of removing him, the Republican leadership (Mitch), who married into Chinese money, refuses to act under the expressed ostensible assumption that there wouldn't be enough votes for a conviction, which never slowed the Democrats in their baseless, conjectured persecution of Trump.

I started the thread because the White House wants this hostage crisis out of consciousness. Wants it to be old news.

They definitely do not want it to be called a Crisis, and the media is usually the house organ for The Party, quick to move on to Covid Panic and Climate Change.

One wonders, what deals is Biden making with the barbaric terrorists?

No, they don't have good intentions in hunting down people on the kill list provided by Biden, although .... don't be surprised if some relativist argues that the terrorists are of the opinion that executing helpless, non-combatant Americans and Afghans is good for their cause (freedom fighters don't you know), and with all opinions being equal in the realm of relativism and nihilism, sanity flies out the window as the herd begins to disseminate the spin.
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Walker wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:02 pm...the kill list provided by Biden...
Do you have a source for this? It's not in the article you linked to.
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uwot wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:15 pm
Walker wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:02 pm...the kill list provided by Biden...
Do you have a source for this? It's not in the article you linked to.
Yes to the question, and agree with the observation.

The source(s) ain't hard to find, at least for now unless there's furious scrubbing going on which wouldn't be surprising, the existence of the list is public knowledge, so you can find reference to it (not the actual list) and consider the merit of the source you find, parse the language and fog it if that is your wont, which it often is for Leftists and if you ain't one, excusez moi.
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Walker wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:06 am Day 7

The US completed withdrawal from Afghanistan on August 30, 2021.
People who now want to leave the country risk their lives if they try.
They are hostages.

California woman in Kabul says Taliban ‘hunting’ for Americans in Afghanistan
https://nypost.com/2021/09/05/californi ... americans/

Question:
Could it be that those abandoned are not hostages, and that the Taliban is searching for US citizens and US collaborators for the purpose of transporting them out of the country because The Taliban has joined in a collaborative effort with Biden so they can be rid of the US occupation once and for all?
Possibly.
But I do not think we are under any obligation to believe in any part of this "news" item.
1) Her name is not given
2) The report of Taliban hunting Americans is described as "apparently".
3) It seems odd that she has refused to give her name yet she appears on a video on the VOA article linked.
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Walker wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:26 pmThe source(s) ain't hard to find...
Oh yeah. That wasn't very clever.
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uwot wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:43 pm
Walker wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:26 pmThe source(s) ain't hard to find...
Oh yeah. That wasn't very clever.
Sure it was. Now you don't get to derail the topic by denouncing any particular source.
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Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:40 pm...
Plus, there are no roving reporters on the scene, Foggy.

Biden created The Hostage Crisis.
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Walker wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:03 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:40 pm...
Plus, there are no roving reporters on the scene, Foggy.

Biden created The Hostage Crisis.
No twenty years of stupidity did that. This was always going to happen. Vietnam is the best example. But the retreat from Afghanistan was much better than than.

Here are a few ideas.
1) Whilst American is perfectly happy to feed the military/industrial complex by selling arms and wasting $billions dropping bombs and drones and throwing money away on offensive maneouvers. It is ideologically incapable of winning a war.
2) Whilst American likes to talk the talk of democracy and freedom it seems hell bent on causing disruption and discord wherever it goes.
3) American is no more homogenous in its aims and appraoch than the Taliban; in fact somewhat less so. America's interests are various and range from the war mongers to the share holders in arms manufacture, to the NGOs who want to build schools and services to the people of foreign lands. The only way these aims are compatible is that fact that they all have to endorse the invasion, either tacitly or overtly.
4) To the Afghan the situation must have appeared absurd. One the one hand NGO were trying to get girls into education, whilst American Drones were hitting wedding parties, and the US army was torturing innocent people with no regard to law or human rights.
And whilst they Americans were preaching democracy and stability the crime rate in Afghanistan rocketed, as did government corruption. And whilst they were preaching free enterprise they were dropping incenduries on poppy fileds rather than buy the poppy oil for the pharmaceutical industry.
5) American persisted in the myth of control believing that their puppet government would sustain power. It lasted a couple of days.

GIven the situation; what would you have had Biden do differently?
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Now Comes Something Called the Biden Doctrine. Please, God, Spare Us
By Andrew Malcolm | Sep 07, 2021 11:00 AM ET
https://redstate.com/andrewmalcolm/2021 ... us-n438992

This article answers some basic questions for those not current.


“No one can get inside the heads of foreign leaders. But does anyone seriously think, given Biden’s often confused state, his unsolicited diplomatic freebies to potential adversaries, bumbled troop pullout, and aversion to gestures of more than token military strength, that the oldest president in history would order forceful responses to aggressions by China, Russia or Iran, for instance?”

Comment: If Trump runs for office and is elected, he would eventually be the oldest president, but unlike Biden, Trump is vital and sharp, his capacity increasing with the wisdom of age, and he works for the country. Biden was never presidential material, never a leader. From senator to president is a rare career path made more improbable when the senator is mediocre and self-serving, like Biden. The two jobs are different skill sets.
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Trump is vital and sharp ...

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8oaaP68i4s
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Walker wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:27 pm Trump is vital and sharp...
...only when it comes to screwing the tax collector with considerable outside help.

When it comes to herding the brainless, the brains of a sheep-dog will do.
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