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Why do the Chinese and Russian governments continue to be bad actors and act in bad faith toward the US? We haven't done anything to them to warrant cyber attacks. Why do they insist on destroying civilized societies? What is the matter with some people?
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Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:29 am Why do the Chinese and Russian governments continue to be bad actors and act in bad faith toward the US?
What do they have in common? Both have a history of Socialism and a history of regarding the West -- particularly Americans -- as "the enemy."
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And of course the US never does this...
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:39 am And of course the US never does this...
I'm not aware that the US government has ever used ransomware attacks, destructive infrastructure attacks, or even denial of service attacks on China or Russia. We attacked Iran's nuclear program when they were trying to create nukes but it was specially targeted at the nuclear program. I don't think any sane person wants Iran to have nukes. The attacks we're getting from the Russians and Chinese seem to be aimed at our infrastructure and services for citizens. It seems like senseless terrorism to me. Just really irresponsible behavior on the part of their governments.
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Just wish governments would behave themselves. This is the sort of stuff that starts wars. Very reckless and irresponsible.
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Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:26 am Just wish governments would behave themselves. This is the sort of stuff that starts wars. Very reckless and irresponsible.
That's a fine description of the Biden Administration fronted by Biden but tsk tsk, you know what they say about wishing.

“Wiener defined cybernetics as 'the science of control and communications in the animal and machine.' This definition relates cybernetics closely with the theory of automatic control and also with physiology, particularly the physiology of the nervous system.”
https://www.britannica.com/science/cybernetics
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Walker wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:39 am
Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:26 am Just wish governments would behave themselves. This is the sort of stuff that starts wars. Very reckless and irresponsible.
That's a fine description of the Biden Administration fronted by Biden but tsk tsk, you know what they say about wishing.

“Wiener defined cybernetics as 'the science of control and communications in the animal and machine.' This definition relates cybernetics closely with the theory of automatic control and also with physiology, particularly the physiology of the nervous system.”
https://www.britannica.com/science/cybernetics
I take it you aren't upset about the cyber attacks? And/or how has the Biden administration been reckless and irresponsible to apparently warrant these attacks?
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Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:54 pm
Walker wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:39 am
Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:26 am Just wish governments would behave themselves. This is the sort of stuff that starts wars. Very reckless and irresponsible.
That's a fine description of the Biden Administration fronted by Biden but tsk tsk, you know what they say about wishing.

“Wiener defined cybernetics as 'the science of control and communications in the animal and machine.' This definition relates cybernetics closely with the theory of automatic control and also with physiology, particularly the physiology of the nervous system.”
https://www.britannica.com/science/cybernetics
I take it you aren't upset about the cyber attacks? And/or how has the Biden administration been reckless and irresponsible to apparently warrant these attacks?
The politics of relevance ...

I’ve heard there’s many thousands of cyberattacks per day upon some government institution. Maybe they are all aimed at government institutions. Or maybe the attacks are per hour, or per minute. Something like that. I remember big numbers that sounded rather astonishing within the context of what I was reading, whatever that was. Do such things put you into a panic of concern and does this concern stop the cyber attacks?

I say, concerning what’s of more immediate concern, she’ll be interested if you let the dance make you move with good thoughts. Lots of women who are beautiful inside and out fall for palookas because Shiva balances Shakti to create a new entity as dictated by the physics of natural ordering, a topic which could be steered around to relevance concerning cyber, cybernetics, and even psycho-cybernetics, but why sway the course of the Titanic from natural ocean currents when time is short and there are no reports of icebergs in the vicinity?

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I know, I know. You have no clue, which means the old way of things dwells on what is not by asking questions, rather than dance with what is, questions which perhaps I've throttled in the bud so that your own personal comprehension may struggle to be good comprehension. Well, there’s something to be said for out with the old and in with the new.*

God forbid you pepper her with questions. She may pepper you and you must allow it, for she is eliciting your personality of response that envelopes and includes her imagination, mind, hopes and dreams all with your appreciation that she has joined you in attention. Women at first evaluate the singer, then they evaluate the worth of the song, which can all happen in one conversation.


* reference Opposite George.
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Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:54 pm...
All that’s necessary to know is that the Biden Administration is reckless and irresponsible, as you say. That’s a premise, a start, a fundamental truth that requires no debate, and if that premise does require debate, then you’re an idiot.

So, with your powers of reasoning, how do you think that premise relates to cyber security? (If that’s where you must go in a philosophy forum).
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Walker wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:11 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:54 pm...
All that’s necessary to know is that the Biden Administration is reckless and irresponsible, as you say. That’s a premise, a start, a fundamental truth that requires no debate, and if that premise does require debate, then you’re an idiot.

So, with your powers of reasoning, how do you think that premise relates to cyber security? (If that’s where you must go in a philosophy forum).
I must be an idiot then because I'm not aware of what the Biden administration has done recklessly or irresponsibly to warrant the attacks. Has the Biden administration done reckless and irresponsible things, yes, I'm sure. However, with respect to the cyber attacks, I think he has done well to not retaliate. Let the perpetrators betray their own depravity to the world. If only G.W. Bush had adopted a similar stance on Iraq.
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Your lack of awareness, as you reference, does constitute a need for you to learn.
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Walker wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 pm Your lack of awareness, as you reference, does constitute a need for you to learn.
Well if it involves learning from Fox News or The Washington Examiner, or something, then I should probably pass on the opportunity. Those news sources just seem to incite us to an uproar over particular things that they want us in an uproar about.
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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:18 am
Walker wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 pm Your lack of awareness, as you reference, does constitute a need for you to learn.
Well if it involves learning from Fox News or The Washington Examiner, or something, then I should probably pass on the opportunity. Those news sources just seem to incite us to an uproar over particular things that they want us in an uproar about.
That rationale of your implication has been disproven by discussions in this concurrent thread.
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