Critical Race Theory

[FlashDangerpants]

the guy who insists on some monolithic "the left" but complains about that "the left" treating "the right" as monolithic.

I don't insist on it at all. I would like the Left to behave like individuals.

But Leftists are determined to see us all as a collective, as merely the products of sex, gender, culture, race, ability, age, privilege or oppression or even weight groups. In Leftist think, everybody's just a "group animal," according to their worldview. And to be "woke" is supposed to involve knowing that an "owning" it.

In Conservatism, Libertarianism and Classical Liberalism, everybody's individual. But the Left WANTS to be "monolithic." Shall we not give them what they want?

Here's the irony, though. People may hide in the collective; but conscience is individual. Morality is individual. Responsibility is individual. And in the end, Judgment is individual.

We all answer for ourselves, in the end. Our group doesn't really matter. One does not have to hide in the herd, far less follow it, and doing that won't get us off the hook individually.

Davos being a socialist plot,

Well, certainly don't take my word for it: take theirs.

You'll find it in "Covid19: The Great Reset," which is their Neo-Marxist manifesto. There's no missing it: they're proud of it.

If you read it, we can talk: I have a copy right here, right next to The Communist Manifesto, actually.

So all you managed there was to double down on the hypocritical assertion that all lefties are alike while righties are special snowflakes.

And in other news your response to my mentioning multiple conspiracy theories that the right wing loons on this forum repeat loudly and often was to pick your favourite conspipracist hobby horse and just do it again. Even though the contxt of this was that I was originally picking up on you going on about "the sort of conspiracy-theory the Left just loves to traffic in" when you guys are the main source of conspiracy theories on this forum.

[Immanuel Can]

So all you managed there was to double down...

"Double down" ? A famous Leftist tactic, actually. And projection as well. That's two.

Want to try for the trifecta? Just tell a lie.

multiple conspiracy theories that the right wing loons

Do you mean the "right wing loons" who published the Davos blue book, "Covid 19: The Great Reset"? Because that's what I cited.

Congratulations! You just hit the Leftist trifecta.

[FlashDangerpants]

So all you managed there was to double down...

"Double down" ? A famous Leftist tactic, actually. And projection as well. That's two.

Want to try for the trifecta? Just tell a lie.

multiple conspiracy theories that the right wing loons

Do you mean the "right wing loons" who published the Davos blue book, "Covid 19: The Great Reset"? Because that's what I cited.

Congratulations! You just hit the Leftist trifecta.

That reply doesn't make any sense in context at all. I don't even understand the double down thing.

I can't tell if you are accusing me of leftist projection or claiming that being accused of projection is the leftist dirty trick, but it should be clear for reasons that ought to be clear.

Accusing me of a lie by deliberately misrepresenting me seems like a dumb choice.

[Immanuel Can]

I don't even understand the double down thing.

According to the early critics of the SJW movement, there are three traditional hallmarks of the social justice "warrior": lying, projecting and doubling down. I didn't pick 'em, but they're always true, it seems.

You accused me of the third, which was interesting, because you were clearly doubling down yourself -- which is also projection. I'd offered you the Davos group and the fact that Leftism is collectivist; you rejected both, and went on a rant about "right wing" sources and whatnot.

Clearly, you were uninterested in the data. You just wanted to "be right." So you redoubled your efforts to assassinate my character, projected your own motives onto me, and lied about the sources of what I had pointed out to you.

That's the trifecta, the three things SJW's always do.

Congratulations. I recognize your "style." It's the classic one.

[FlashDangerpants]

Mannie, please try to pay attention. I was making the point that you said...
"the sort of conspiracy-theory the Left just loves to traffic in"
As if you right wing types don't traffic in conspiracy-theories.

Answering that charge with justifications of one of your conspiracy theories doesn't do what you are trying to do. The fact that you can't put the right wing conpsiracy theory aside even in this context only proves my point that the right wing are as prone to conspiracism as the left.

Whatever that other shit is supposed to be about, it's something I probably can't be bothered to spend my evening unravelling.

[Immanuel Can]

Mannie, please try to pay attention.

I did.

More than you wanted, apparently.

[FlashDangerpants]

Wow, you went full Mannie evasion with record speed this time. I commend your efficiency, if nothing else.

[Immanuel Can]

Wow, you went full Mannie evasion with record speed this time. I commend your efficiency, if nothing else.

Projection again. You evaded my answer, and doubled down.

But what do I get for trying to engage you respectfully, and with data, to the sources themselves? Just that, I guess.

[FlashDangerpants]

Wow, you went full Mannie evasion with record speed this time. I commend your efficiency, if nothing else.

Projection again. You evaded my answer, and doubled down.

But what do I get for trying to engage you respectfully, and with data, to the sources themselves? Just that, I guess.

Respectful? You took my post above, which wasn't complicated or abtruse. Then you chopped out two half sentences to argue against, rendering them irrelevant in the process, and in that very reponse you blatantly called me a liar, and declared some weird trifecta while completely avoiding the point.

You are so shamelessly dishonest that you don't even care how visible your deceitful behaviour is to everybody.

And then you have the disgraceful nerve to describe your own behaviour as "respectful".






It's just unchristian.

[Immanuel Can]

Respectful?

Yes. I took your point seriously, and pointed you to the relevant sources.

But go and read Lindsay and Pluckrose's book. What I am is of no consequence, one way or another. It's merely ad hominem.

Go and find out what CRT is all about. Then we'll talk.

[FlashDangerpants]

Respectful?

Yes. I took your point seriously, and pointed you to the relevant sources.

But my point was that you and your right wing friends indulge in lots of conspiracy theories.
That's just uncontroversially true is it not? Your reactions today just serve to underline its self evident accuracy.

And what lie did you "respectfully" accuse me of?

[Immanuel Can]

But my point was that you and your right wing friends...

Ad hominem.

Boring and completely irrelevant, in addition to having nothing to do with the Davos group's blue book, or Cynical Theories.

Go read.

[FlashDangerpants]

That's not ad hominem.
It's not irrelevant either. You raised the topic of the conspiracy-theorising LEFT, that brings the conspiracy-theorising RIGHT into play.

You and Walker and Henry and Nick are raging conspiracy theorists.
You sure as fuck don't belong to "THE LEFT" about which you rant so frequently.
You are the conspiracy-theorising right.

Getting obsessed with CRT is just part of your usual hyper partisan tactics.
You are always looking for a reason to fear the left, even when the subject is a social studies theory that very few people care about.

[henry quirk]

That's not ad hominem.
It's not irrelevant either. You raised the topic of the conspiracy-theorising LEFT, that brings the conspiracy-theorising RIGHT into play.

You and Walker and Henry and Nick are raging conspiracy theorists.
You sure as *fuck don't belong to "THE LEFT" about which *you rant so frequently.
You are the conspiracy-theorising right.

Getting obsessed with CRT is just part of your usual hyper partisan tactics.
You are always looking for a reason to fear the left, even when the subject is a social studies theory that very few people care about.

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[henry quirk]

You're a racist!

There's no defense against it.

Anything you say is just proof of your racism.

You are guilty till proven innocent, and you will never be proven innocent.

Your guilt is your skin.

You can't reason with the unreasonable: you can only defend yourself (as in preserve your life, liberty, and property) from the unreasonable.

The proper response, then, to the critical race theorist is meh (while keepin' your weapon of choice close).