You asked me where. I told you where.
I don't "insist" you do anything.
Heh. Well, I'm a sinner by nature, like anybody else; but do you honestly expect me to talk to you about such things? Why would I wish to parade before you whatever I have done, given that any good person should be ashamed of the same? So I have my own regrets and occasions of repentance, of course. Hence my need for salvation.
I've asked you several times to answer my questions right now... and that's what I'm again asking you to do.
Well, that's a big question, isn't it? By comparison, to ask, "What do you think 'cosmos' means, and what do you think is in it?" would be a very simple question, which could be answered in a comparatively shorter period of time.
With you. You're the one who told someone else that they don't know.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:41 pmWell, that's a big question, isn't it? By comparison, to ask, "What do you think 'cosmos' means, and what do you think is in it?" would be a very simple question, which could be answered in a comparatively shorter period of time.
Where do you want to start?
"With me"? Sorry, that makes no sense; I'm not God. What's your question for me?Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:43 pmWith you. You're the one who told someone else that they don't know.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:41 pmWell, that's a big question, isn't it? By comparison, to ask, "What do you think 'cosmos' means, and what do you think is in it?" would be a very simple question, which could be answered in a comparatively shorter period of time.
Where do you want to start?
To be honest, what you consider a sin is so dreary, I have no interest hearing it.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:32 pmHeh. Well, I'm a sinner by nature, like anybody else; but do you honestly expect me to talk to you about such things?
That is what we go to hell for? You should read the Old Testament, it is full of God doing most of those things.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:32 pmHave you ever lied? Have you ever been malicious? Have you ever betrayed anyone? Have you stolen, or even "over-borrowed" anything, anytime? Have you colluded with those who have? Have you covered up things you know you wouldn't want other people to know you did? Have you ever hated anyone? Have you ever felt lust, or greed, or rage, or done anything petty or mean?
You will no doubt be aware that when Jesus did his "Let he who is without sin" thing, he didn't see fit to cast one himself. My own view is that anyone worthy of praise would have been more concerned for the welfare of the woman, rather than the souls of the lunatics who thought stoning to death is an appropriate punishment for adultery.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:32 pmIn short, where do you stand? Do you agree with God, that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Romans 3:23) or do you "make God out to be a liar" (1 John 1:10) about that?
Only if you want to. It's up to you.
Your god is a reflection of you. That’s why you protect it... and why other people are repelled by it.
What a crass thing to say. If it is true, it is because God wishes it. As an omnipotent being, it is within his power to make it not so and yet, in your view, he doesn't. And that's the point, isn't it? If we disagree with your view, you wish us to be burnt in hell. I must say, if such a thing as hell were to exist, it would surely be full of people who think as you do.
Well, I don't need to wish for it. Thanks.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:16 pm I wish you better than you wish for yourself. Be well.
Not at all. It's the simple fact. Your choice, your soul, your destiny.tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:26 pmWhat a crass thing to say.
Not at all. By definition, to "have a choice" means to have the ability to do one thing, or not to do it, and to do something else instead. To choose salvation means to have the potential to refuse it as well, or to seek salvation on your own terms.As an omnipotent being, it is within his power to make it not so