Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:17 pm
It seems Immanuel is opposed to indoctrination, which I applaud.
Of course. But of course, Socialism absolutely requires indoctrination. Nobody who, on the one hand, has no indoctrinating would think up Socialism on her own, and nobody who actually knew history would believe in it either. Socialism absolutely requires the bending of the human mind to its counter-rational suppositions, as well as the complete suppression of the record of its own doings.
So it is not by accident that the Socialists have singled out the Faculties of Education to be their hubs.
But I have not been indoctrinated . On the contrary, I have received tertiary education in the UK. And I identify as a socialist.
Perhaps what you mean to say is that social background to a large extent influences moral and political choices.
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:21 pm
have not been indoctrinated . On the contrary, I have received tertiary education in the UK. And I identify as a socialist.
Maybe you don't know anything about Socialist history.
Do you know how many people the Socialists killed in the last century?
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:21 pm
have not been indoctrinated . On the contrary, I have received tertiary education in the UK. And I identify as a socialist.
Maybe you don't know anything about Socialist history.
Do you know how many people the Socialists killed in the last century?
Really it is so difficult to talk politics with you when you persist in conflating socialist and communist, and democracy and dictatorship.
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:50 pm
Really it is so difficult to talk politics with you when you persist in conflating socialist and communist,
It's only a matter of degree. The economic theories and derivations are identical... in Marx.
and democracy and dictatorship.
I deny that I have ever conflated these concepts.
It is indeed a matter of degree. Right and left are a continuum a spectrum of positions.
Marxism's greatest contribution is economic survival determines ideologies. This is a Marxist view of history.
If you believe in democracy I cant see how you can support Trump who rules dissaffected folk by way of the sort of charisma they want to trust.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:09 pm
No, Marxism's greatest contribution, by far, is over 100 million dead human beings.
Perhaps your God found a reason?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:11 pm
an all-powerful and all-good God would NOT be obligated to guarantee evil did not exist, IF sufficient reason could be found.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:08 pm
It doesn't matter who did it. What matters is who could've prevented it.
You can prevent all evil by never having created mankind. That's your solution?
Surely. your omniscient/omnipotent God knows how not to throw away the baby with the bathwater?
Then why don't you explain the alternative you perceive. You say he should create people. Fine. But you say they should only be able to do the right thing. Those aren't people: those are robots.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:09 pm
Then why don't you explain the alternative you perceive. You say he should create people. Fine. But you say they should only be able to do the right thing. Those aren't people: those are robots.
So what's your fix?
Why do you keep placing higher expectations on humans than you do on your God?
My alternative is... "Lets ask the omnipresent/omniscient dude for some tips and see if they are workable."
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:09 pm
Then why don't you explain the alternative you perceive. You say he should create people. Fine. But you say they should only be able to do the right thing. Those aren't people: those are robots.
So what's your fix?
My alternative is... "Lets ask the omnipresent/omniscient dude for some tips and see if they are workable."
Oh. So you actually know nothing about it, and will have to ask the God you don't believe in for tips.
So you've got nothing to offer here. Not even a clear idea of whether there's a problem.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:13 pm
Oh. So you actually know nothing about it, and will have to ask the God you don't believe in for tips.
I don't know enough.
The fact that I don't believe in your God is moot. You have access to omnipresence/omniscience and you aren't asking for tips either.
That makes you almost as big of an asshole as him.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:13 pm
So you've got nothing to offer here. Not even a clear idea of whether there's a problem.
Oh, so between you and your God you don't think 100 million dead people is a problem?
I would've thought that between a self-righteous Christian and his omnipotent/omnipresent maker you would've at least pulled a moral compass out of your ass.
