Repressive Tolerance

[Immanuel Can]

If you haven't seen this article, you need to.

This is exactly what the Neo-Marxists today actually believe, as instructed by one of their patron saints, Herbert Marcuse. You'll find the same kind of reasoning in people like Franz Fanon or Paolo Freire, or many other of their ideologues. And you'll see it played out in the Left-wing media right now, in terms like "peaceful protest" and "hate speech."

https://macris.substack.com/p/repressiv ... -in-action

[Nick_A]

If you haven't seen this article, you need to.

This is exactly what the Neo-Marxists today actually believe, as instructed by one of their patron saints, Herbert Marcuse. You'll find the same kind of reasoning in people like Franz Fanon or Paolo Freire, or many other of their ideologues. And you'll see it played out in the Left-wing media right now, in terms like "peaceful protest" and "hate speech."

https://macris.substack.com/p/repressiv ... -in-action

That is what the old "Secular Intolerance" thread proved: selective tolerance.

There is one, and only one, thing in modern society more hideous than crime - namely, repressive justice. Simone Weil

She was one of the minority who knew the dangers of it.

[Immanuel Can]

That is what the old "Secular Intolerance" thread proved: selective tolerance.

This one too. I posted it on the other thread, but it's relevant here as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfVonCvvC04

Interesting to see them say, "Oh, compromise is very important," or "Tolerance is absolutely necessary," and then refuse to have even the tiniest smidgen of either themselves. It's apparent that what they mean by "compromise" is "YOU must compromise," and by "tolerance," only that "Everything we on the Left already believe is to be tolerated." No more, evidently.

[Nick_A]

That is what the old "Secular Intolerance" thread proved: selective tolerance.

This one too. I posted it on the other thread, but it's relevant here as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfVonCvvC04

Interesting to see them say, "Oh, compromise is very important," or "Tolerance is absolutely necessary," and then refuse to have even the tiniest smidgen of either themselves. It's apparent that what they mean by "compromise" is "YOU must compromise," and by "tolerance," only that "Everything we on the Left already believe is to be tolerated." No more, evidently.

Tolerance cannot be tolerated if it questions the goals of communism.

Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.
Vladimir Lenin.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.
Vladimir Lenin

That is why the left is intolerant. If it opposes atheism and child indoctrination necessary for the goal of communism it must be canceled by those called tolerant in the most nasty and violent means possible. Marx was right to call those who believe and support this coming utopia: useful idiots."

[Immanuel Can]

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.
Vladimir Lenin

That is why the most Leftist faculty at most universities is not the Critical Theory department, or the Gender Studies department, but the Education Faculty. The Left has been very proactive about seeking to indoctrinate as early as possible.

[Nick_A]

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.
Vladimir Lenin

That is why the most Leftist faculty at most universities is not the Critical Theory department, or the Gender Studies department, but the Education Faculty. The Left has been very proactive about seeking to indoctrinate as early as possible.

At least I know with the left where they are coming from and their agenda. I blame the right more for allowing this form of psychological child abuse to take place. They just roll over and play dead. They are so afraid of being called racist, sexist, or anything else ending in ist along with fear of donors that they are willing to sacrifice the minds of children. It is so much like Hitler's youth that it is scary

[Immanuel Can]

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.
Vladimir Lenin

That is why the most Leftist faculty at most universities is not the Critical Theory department, or the Gender Studies department, but the Education Faculty. The Left has been very proactive about seeking to indoctrinate as early as possible.

At least I know with the left where they are coming from and their agenda. I blame the right more for allowing this form of psychological child abuse to take place. They just roll over and play dead. They are so afraid of being called racist, sexist, or anything else ending in ist along with fear of donors that they are willing to sacrifice the minds of children. It is so much like Hitler's youth that it is scary

The problem is that conservatives believe in freedom of conscience, and Leftists just don't. For Leftists, only thinking the politically-correct thoughts is permissible.

That means that Leftist educational procedures can be single-mindedly propagandizing, whereas classical liberal/conservative ones have to be focused on empowering independent inquirers, critical minds and participatory citizens to think for themselves. That means that the latter have to be cautious and restrained, skills-focused to allow a range of free and independent opinion; whereas the former can simply choose to suppress, manipulate, indoctrinate and deceive without any hesitation or pangs of conscience.

[Belinda]

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.
Vladimir Lenin

That is why the most Leftist faculty at most universities is not the Critical Theory department, or the Gender Studies department, but the Education Faculty. The Left has been very proactive about seeking to indoctrinate as early as possible.

But Nick has pointed out during another discussion, no earlier than the last couple of days,that Simone Weil changed her allegiance from communist to Christian mystic.
Therefore at least one person was not hopelessly indoctrinated.

The university I went to was mostly Marxist around the history dept and comprehending students and teachers well knew to how to apply confirmation bias.

[Immanuel Can]

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.
Vladimir Lenin

That is why the most Leftist faculty at most universities is not the Critical Theory department, or the Gender Studies department, but the Education Faculty. The Left has been very proactive about seeking to indoctrinate as early as possible.

But Nick has pointed out during another discussion, no earlier than the last couple of days,that Simone Weil changed her allegiance from communist to Christian mystic.
Therefore at least one person was not hopelessly indoctrinated.

Who said "hopelessly"? That was your invention, B.

It is true that most people who are indoctrinated seem not to escape it. But some do. And there's actually nothing odd about that. There have been many such cases. You'll recall that Schindler was indoctrinated as a Nazi, but saved Jews. You'll recall, perhaps, that Anthony Flew and C.S. Lewis were an indoctrinated Atheists who later converted to Deism and Theism respectively. So people do sometimes escape indoctrination, just as some people do escape cancer.

It doesn't mean we ought to encourage the spread of cancer, though, or the indoctrination of children.

The university I went to was mostly Marxist around the history dept and comprehending students and teachers well knew to how to apply confirmation bias.

Oh, don't worry...Marxists are inevitably experts in bias. That's for sure.

[Nick_A]

That is why the most Leftist faculty at most universities is not the Critical Theory department, or the Gender Studies department, but the Education Faculty. The Left has been very proactive about seeking to indoctrinate as early as possible.

At least I know with the left where they are coming from and their agenda. I blame the right more for allowing this form of psychological child abuse to take place. They just roll over and play dead. They are so afraid of being called racist, sexist, or anything else ending in ist along with fear of donors that they are willing to sacrifice the minds of children. It is so much like Hitler's youth that it is scary

The problem is that conservatives believe in freedom of conscience, and Leftists just don't. For Leftists, only thinking the politically-correct thoughts is permissible.

That means that Leftist educational procedures can be single-mindedly propagandizing, whereas classical liberal/conservative ones have to be focused on empowering independent inquirers, critical minds and participatory citizens to think for themselves. That means that the latter have to be cautious and restrained, skills-focused to allow a range of free and independent opinion; whereas the former can simply choose to suppress, manipulate, indoctrinate and deceive without any hesitation or pangs of conscience.

This is from George Orwell's book 1984:

“The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable-what then?”

Was George Orwell describing what is happening now? Are we erasing past experiences and beginning to believe we are controlled by the mind? If so who can we trust rather than Big Brother.

"It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children."

How often do we learn of parents who don't recognize their children after several years of indoctrination in college?

Maybe it is time for a thread titled: "Are we living in 1984 now"? Will we finally see the light and admit we love big brother. Will Henry finally put his gun down and admit the error of his ways and how acceptance into the love for the security
Big Brother offers is real happiness: the joy of surrender to those who know?

"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

Is it over or is their still hope for the psych of mankind as whole to pursue freedom? Does 2+2 still = 4 or have we learned 5 is the correct answer?

[Immanuel Can]

This is from George Orwell's book 1984:

I admire that book. Orwell had the situation pegged, well in advance. So did C.S. Lewis. If you ever read his book "That Hideous Strength," it outlines pretty much all the strategies the Left is using today.

But the most telling of all is Biblical prophecy. It says that all this was due to come. Judgement comes soon after.

[Nick_A]

The conservative alternative to twitter goes dark after being taken off the internet by Amazon cloud. 1984 is now considered a banned book. "The novel has been controversial because of its political and social themes and sexual content, resulting in being banned by numerous organizations over the years."

Welcome to the coming world of repressive tolerance where Big Brother will tell you what to read. It is for your own good and an act of compassion. Big Brother knows what is best for the uneducated.

[Immanuel Can]

Big Brother knows what is best for the uneducated.

Big Brother's in for a surprise.

[Belinda]

That is why the most Leftist faculty at most universities is not the Critical Theory department, or the Gender Studies department, but the Education Faculty. The Left has been very proactive about seeking to indoctrinate as early as possible.

But Nick has pointed out during another discussion, no earlier than the last couple of days,that Simone Weil changed her allegiance from communist to Christian mystic.
Therefore at least one person was not hopelessly indoctrinated.

Who said "hopelessly"? That was your invention, B.

It is true that most people who are indoctrinated seem not to escape it. But some do. And there's actually nothing odd about that. There have been many such cases. You'll recall that Schindler was indoctrinated as a Nazi, but saved Jews. You'll recall, perhaps, that Anthony Flew and C.S. Lewis were an indoctrinated Atheists who later converted to Deism and Theism respectively. So people do sometimes escape indoctrination, just as some people do escape cancer.

It doesn't mean we ought to encourage the spread of cancer, though, or the indoctrination of children.

The university I went to was mostly Marxist around the history dept and comprehending students and teachers well knew to how to apply confirmation bias.

Oh, don't worry...Marxists are inevitably experts in bias. That's for sure.

Yes, that is all true, except that I am not worried by these matters. It seems Immanuel is opposed to indoctrination, which I applaud.

[Immanuel Can]

It seems Immanuel is opposed to indoctrination, which I applaud.

Of course. But of course, Socialism absolutely requires indoctrination. Nobody who, on the one hand, has no indoctrinating would think up Socialism on her own, and nobody who actually knew history would believe in it either. Socialism absolutely requires the bending of the human mind to its counter-rational suppositions, as well as the complete suppression of the record of its own doings.

So it is not by accident that the Socialists have singled out the Faculties of Education to be their hubs.