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henry quirk wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:03 am
gaffo wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:58 am
henry quirk wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:54 am they get to rewrite the past any way they please, and offload all they've done on others.

And, after a fashion, they keep right on leashin' folks under the guide of bein' the caring ones.
you do now the rebublicans and Democrate (per race) reversed roles in the 60's - yes?
You do know I'm condemnin' the lot of 'em, yeah?

Red, Blue, Donkeys, Elephants: all the same, then and now.
yes i know - and i affrim hypocrisy rules the world - sadly. but i am an idealist and a legalist - so affirm the rule of law in the ideal world - and why i have been calling out Emmanual on the GG's power as legitimate unilt his parlement removes it (well he/she has not used such power in decades is not good enouhg for me - i like the rule of law and the rule of law mandates written mandates not verbal social convention)

and ya i know many are dicks and the more in power the more dicks

but i refuse to turn my back on the ideal o fthe rule of law - what is wtritten as such (so if the suaids have aconstutution - they prob do not - but they have ruels of laws - so equally valid to me ) - i affirm those laws. ya Suadi arabia is a thuggery - the gov is not the poeple - and i know its hard to stand up to thuggery adn why i do not paint the suaid people - if i were born in saudi arabia in the mid 60's to today i would be a pusssy too....).

I affrim the ideal of a "Rule" - just or unjust" a legal rule o fthe land your reside - as the rule, if you don';t lik e it overthrow it and make a new rule.


per the GG i think he/she has legitimate powers - not used since 1974 - but still valid (unilt Candian parlement removes it - not done sso yet so stiull legel).


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I'm just an idealist - though legalist - and think the world should "should" be more that your viw of "get off my lawn".,

--------welcome to the thread though - I dissagree with your philoshy (though it my be more realiistic than mine) as too meager, and hope to read more from you in this thread Sir.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:29 am
henry quirk wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:13 am Pretty much anyone who gets involved in governance, especially on the federal level, no matter how principled he might have been at the start, after a length of time, is dirty.
It seem so. The Socialists seem to think that the powers-that-be are so corrupt they must be overthrown...and replaced with much more powerful powers-that-be, that for some reason, they seem to think will be supernaturally forever immune from corruption. The cure for oppressors is bigger and bigger oppressors...until we have global-sized oppressors...and then everything will finally be fair. :?

But almost nothing they advocate actually makes sense, even on it's own terms.
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me

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wishing for the ideal.

more fool me i guess ;-/.

Supertramp the greatest 70 band now forgotten sadly.

imo.
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gaffo wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:38 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:51 pm It's worth knowing that no Republicans owned slaves, though some Northern Democrats were pro-slavery, of course. Slavery wasn't really an economically useful arrangement in the north, for the most part.
I dopn't kow - never say never (did you know that there were black slavers? - full freed blakcs that had plantatios in the south - supported the South -a nd had 10-100's of slaver?) - so ya i bet there were a few REpublicn slavers.even in the north.
Well, Dinesh D'Sousa went looking for them.

And eventually he was able to find the only Republican who owned a slave. It was actually Ulysses Grant himself, who inherited a slave when he married...but at that time, Ulysses S. Grant was...yes, you guessed it, also a Democrat.

Ironic. But that was it. That was apparently the only Republican historians can locate who actually ever owned a slave.
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i refuse to turn my back on the ideal o fthe rule of law

I'd like to stand with you, brother, but I can't.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:46 pm
gaffo wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:38 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:51 pm It's worth knowing that no Republicans owned slaves, though some Northern Democrats were pro-slavery, of course. Slavery wasn't really an economically useful arrangement in the north, for the most part.
I dopn't kow - never say never (did you know that there were black slavers? - full freed blakcs that had plantatios in the south - supported the South -a nd had 10-100's of slaver?) - so ya i bet there were a few REpublicn slavers.even in the north.
Well, Dinesh D'Sousa went looking for them.

And eventually he was able to find the only Republican who owned a slave. It was actually Ulysses Grant himself, who inherited a slave when he married...but at that time, Ulysses S. Grant was...yes, you guessed it, also a Democrat.

Ironic. But that was it. That was apparently the only Republican historians can locate who actually ever owned a slave.
my post was about honest history - not partisanship today - those blakcs that own slaes were freed blacks and democarats.

lol. i value history not partisanship - you do not maybe?
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henry quirk wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:59 pm i refuse to turn my back on the ideal o fthe rule of law

I'd like to stand with you, brother, but I can't.
I'm glad that youd wish to stand with me - why cant you?
I shall always welcome patriots that stand with tm - from the right or the left - not the reich nor the communist. - the former i welcome not the latter.


I know you value the Constitution, and that you are a right libertarian - but the also affirm authority more than me - so you do have some reichnes in you - IMO - how much not sure - if les than 50 percent you are welcome to stand with tme.


not sure why you think you cannot - but nonetheless i welcoem your Sir to stand with me - the Don Quohotie(sp) ffool i am.


too lazy to calw on my knoees to see my 4k tv to edit the above - you can figure it out.
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gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 am i value history not partisanship - you do not maybe?
Well, one way or the other, there's nothing "partisan" about a historical fact.

If it makes one group look good, it makes them look good; if it makes another look bad, it makes them look bad. The fact is the fact: Democrats owned slaves, and Republicans didn't. Democrats fought to keep slavery, and Republicans freed the slaves. The KKK was started by Democrats, and Segregation was defended by them. Those are just facts.

It's unpleasant for the one side, yes. But what can you do about facts? It's not "fair" or "non-partisan" to pretend otherwise: it's just dishonest. And presumably, neither of us wishes to be that.
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gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:15 am
henry quirk wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:59 pm i refuse to turn my back on the ideal o fthe rule of law

I'd like to stand with you, brother, but I can't.
I'm glad that youd wish to stand with me - why cant you?
I shall always welcome patriots that stand with tm - from the right or the left - not the reich nor the communist. - the former i welcome not the latter.


I know you value the Constitution, and that you are a right libertarian - but the also affirm authority more than me - so you do have some reichnes in you - IMO - how much not sure - if les than 50 percent you are welcome to stand with tme.


not sure why you think you cannot - but nonetheless i welcoem your Sir to stand with me - the Don Quohotie(sp) ffool i am.


too lazy to calw on my knoees to see my 4k tv to edit the above - you can figure it out.
The Constitution, like any contract, is only as good as long as all parties adhere to it.

For a very long time, the whole of the Dems, a sizable chunk of the Repubs, and an assorted mix of theocratic and commie nutjobs haven't adhered. In fact, they go out of their way to publicly piss on that contract.

As I see it: the constitution is null & void and has been since the first time a body of legislators crafted law from which they exempted themselves, since the first time a law executor declined to enforce justice, since the first time arbiters looked to reshape law instead of just properly applyin' it.

So: I can stand with you in defense of your life, liberty, and property, but I can't stand with you defendin' what to my thinkin' has become indefensible.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:52 am
gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 am i value history not partisanship - you do not maybe?
Well, one way or the other, there's nothing "partisan" about a historical fact.

If it makes one group look good, it makes them look good; if it makes another look bad, it makes them look bad. The fact is the fact: Democrats owned slaves, and Republicans didn't. Democrats fought to keep slavery, and Republicans freed the slaves. The KKK was started by Democrats, and Segregation was defended by them. Those are just facts.

It's unpleasant for the one side, yes. But what can you do about facts? It's not "fair" or "non-partisan" to pretend otherwise: it's just dishonest. And presumably, neither of us wishes to be that.
agreed - so you know your history as much as i do - all you saida bove is true. and - shock of shocks freed black democrat - the rich ons - onws slaves and had plantations - not many but their were a few - blakcs owning blacks.

per history - you do now it, so why play dumb now? the Re Southern Dems - yellow dogs - switiched sides and regiisterd as REPUBLICANS - bet the ccivil right s act of 65 and Reagon in 80 - so all o ftodays Republicnas were the former democrats (per the southern US).

so stop playing dumb - you know history as much as i do.


...........and ya theREppublicnas were on the right side of histroy in the civil war -(also note that it was NE rockefeller Republicnas that voted for the civl rights act of 65 - not the southern dems (who are now all the rascist bugs re-alined from dem to now reichbugs) - so pull your head out and learn more history (or if you now histroy, stop being a dick and distorting it).

2-cents -i don't think you are a dick - just ignorant - you know history - but not not as much as you assume.

hope you are well - peace.
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gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:38 am the Re Southern Dems - yellow dogs - switiched sides and regiisterd as REPUBLICANS
You'll find that The Great Switch is a myth.

Here's what actually happened: https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-pa ... ch-part-1/
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henry quirk wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:00 pm
gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:15 am
henry quirk wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:59 pm i refuse to turn my back on the ideal o fthe rule of law

I'd like to stand with you, brother, but I can't.
I'm glad that youd wish to stand with me - why cant you?
I shall always welcome patriots that stand with tm - from the right or the left - not the reich nor the communist. - the former i welcome not the latter.


I know you value the Constitution, and that you are a right libertarian - but the also affirm authority more than me - so you do have some reichnes in you - IMO - how much not sure - if les than 50 percent you are welcome to stand with tme.


not sure why you think you cannot - but nonetheless i welcoem your Sir to stand with me - the Don Quohotie(sp) ffool i am.


too lazy to calw on my knoees to see my 4k tv to edit the above - you can figure it out.
The Constitution, like any contract, is only as good as long as all parties adhere to it.

For a very long time, the whole of the Dems, a sizable chunk of the Repubs, and an assorted mix of theocratic and commie nutjobs haven't adhered. In fact, they go out of their way to publicly piss on that contract.

pps - thanks for being a patriot - as i view myself - not a nationalist - we both love our constitution, but for me after the constitution is dead and buried and all that iseft i "get of my lawn" is not enouhg for me to ccontinue to be happy/content - i affirm GoL as the the lowst moral gorund leve philosphy from 2-million yrs ago - and its fine, but not enouugh for me - i personally need the enlightenment ideals abov it for my person compas to be content.


but i only speak fopr me - not you - if you think GoL is good enough for you - after the death of our Constitution, how so - i'd really like to konw because i see our Constitution dying a slow death and GoL for me is not enough for me as an idealist to affirm as enough - its correct within itself - but not enough for me.




As I see it: the constitution is null & void and has been since the first time a body of legislators crafted law from which they exempted themselves, since the first time a law executor declined to enforce justice, since the first time arbiters looked to reshape law instead of just properly applyin' it.

So: I can stand with you in defense of your life, liberty, and property, but I can't stand with you defendin' what to my thinkin' has become indefensible.

I understand what you said above anf fully agreee - and cry over its Truth.

and you are right - its true, sadly..............

well as one to another that does love the precepts of the Constitution we stand in unity - with too few others sadly..............too many are just ignorant, other just don't care.

sadly American socierety is just too far decayed to value what you and i do - the rule of law and the document that founded our nation.

;-(.

- ps (not you your Heery - but to public general)- i don't give a shit if you are right or left - only iif you are not a thug and value the rule of law and the Constitution.


PPS Get of lawn is not enough for me - its right - but limited - i wish for more pr enlighetement concepts ruel fo law - us contitution (for instance Inalienable Rights are not valid per Get of lawn - the latter affirms brut force - the former all man have right).

so GoL is the rule fo the jungle - whichi s correct and i affirm - for these last 2 million yrs, but it is not enouhg for me, i need more like our Constitution.

but i'm just a idealist sadly.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:43 am
gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:38 am the Re Southern Dems - yellow dogs - switiched sides and regiisterd as REPUBLICANS
You'll find that The Great Switch is a myth.

Here's what actually happened: https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-pa ... ch-part-1/
I will not check your link - i kno9w my histroy. if you have a point provide it with your own word................and waste my time and your.


provide your case. Sir.

in words here in this forum.
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gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:04 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:43 am
gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:38 am the Re Southern Dems - yellow dogs - switiched sides and regiisterd as REPUBLICANS
You'll find that The Great Switch is a myth.

Here's what actually happened: https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-pa ... ch-part-1/
I will not check your link - i kno9w my histroy. if you have a point provide it with your own word................and waste my time and your.


provide your case. Sir.

in words here in this forum.


BTW i do keep my word - but lasy - and will inform myself the power s of the GG as promised - to drunk now - lol.


but for personal honour and interest to me, i shall do so - eventually - but ya i do need to get off my ass and get some schooling on the GG powrs/
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gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:04 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:43 am
gaffo wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:38 am the Re Southern Dems - yellow dogs - switiched sides and regiisterd as REPUBLICANS
You'll find that The Great Switch is a myth.

Here's what actually happened: https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-pa ... ch-part-1/
I will not check your link...
Then you will not know the truth about that, I suppose. And that is up to you, of course.

As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
BTW i do keep my word - but lasy - and will inform myself the power s of the GG as promised - to drunk now - lol.
Well, perhaps being drunk is not the best time to work on drawing philosophical conclusions from premises.

I've often been told, "It's not safe to drink and derive." :wink:

Check the link later, and we'll talk again then.
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