The Capitol building is breached by the Retrumplicans NOW!

[Sculptor]

The folks who actually invaded Ukraine are responsible, barring other info. What I was clarifying with the nurse example was statuses of factual info--whether anyone was committing contractual fraud, what we can expect people to know re factual info, etc.

I did not ask you about the actual soldiers on the ground I asked you about HITLER's responsibility.
Now please answer the question!

Zero unless we're talking about factual info where there may have been deception, etc.

So no head of state may ever be held responsible for the acts of the country they are ruling. Is that a fair assessment of your position?

[Terrapin Station]

I did not ask you about the actual soldiers on the ground I asked you about HITLER's responsibility.
Now please answer the question!

Zero unless we're talking about factual info where there may have been deception, etc.

So no head of state may ever be held responsible for the acts of the country they are ruling. Is that a fair assessment of your position?

What happened to the "unless" part? Answers with nuance or qualifications aren't allowed?

[commonsense]

I did not ask you about the actual soldiers on the ground I asked you about HITLER's responsibility.
Now please answer the question!

Zero unless we're talking about factual info where there may have been deception, etc.

So no head of state may ever be held responsible for the acts of the country they are ruling. Is that a fair assessment of your position?

If the head of state is the highest level commander of the military, he is responsible for every order given, including one to invade another country.

The front line soldier is not expected to have the geopolitical expertise to decide whether the order is appropriate or not (unlike the nurse, who is expected to have a degree of expert knowledge about every drug to be administered).

The expectation on the soldier is that he will follow the orders of his immediate commander, who will follow the orders of his commander, and so on all the way up to the highest level of command.

[FlashDangerpants]

Zero unless we're talking about factual info where there may have been deception, etc.

So no head of state may ever be held responsible for the acts of the country they are ruling. Is that a fair assessment of your position?

What happened to the "unless" part? Answers with nuance or qualifications aren't allowed?

He got you fair and square, you didn't distinguish between the issuing of orders vs suggestions, which is your fault.

[gaffo]

the problem is you are baised asgaisnt "socialism"

No, the problem is that I know history, and so I'm very familiar with Socialism's "work."

And I don't like the loss of human rights, I don't like the gulags, I don't like the political correctness and the suppression of free speech, and I certainly don't like the over 100 million dead bodies. I don't want to see America go that way, but some folks there sure seem in a hurry to get there.

P.S. -- Norway's not Socialist. They survive on massive oil reserves, or their social programs would be in the dumpster. Because Socialism is economic suicide, they can only stay afloat on capitalist oil. And the other Scandinavian countries follow similar patterns: social programs paid for by free enterprise. If you want Socialism, look at Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Albania, and so on.

thanks for smart post - did not know about norway.

still think your a biaset ageinst solcilism, but let talk. I'm a 70's deocrat - i do not affirm "trickldown" the rich just save for themselves and nothing goes to the pleabs. i affirm Eisenhower - a REpublicn BTW - who taxed the top 1 percenteres 90-percent, as did all the preisdents later until Reagan.

are there welfare queens, sure, but there are also folks that need social services that trickldown - no trickle - does to serve.

my wish is for Capitalism o fthe 70's where the rich were taxed 70-90-percet - not the 20-30 o ftoday, and a gov that uses her power to breakup mopnolpies - not just laiza far where the result is always monopolies and corporate welfare - i.e. gov bought out by business (so that means i affirm Compain Finance reform - Citizen united ruling is on par with Kilo/new london and Plesssy Fugussion - purely aiit american.


your views? on the "balance" bet gov and fre market?

[gaffo]

Certainly that will be the history if maniacal Leftists/Progressives have the say of the way things are.

Yes. If reason wins out that will be the case.
Today a Trump supporter travelling to the Capitol to join the inauguration was arrested with 500 rounds of ammunition and the guns to fire it.

Maniacal leftist/progressive and "reason" are contradictory terms.

So, you still believe what the media tells you?

That's nice.

since Faux "News" makes up 1/2 of all viewership - CNN and MSNBC combined - that old "media mantra" wear thin.

so you bleive Faux "news" - so you must affirm the media - lol.

bot. drink your kooliad, dear leader is calling you.

[gaffo]

Trump claims he will not be there when Biden is sworn in as President.

ya - not expect him too.

I still fully expect the asshole to call the military and declaire marshall law the night - 12 yr before Biden taks over.

the cheif of staff are on record from tier post last wek - if you can read between the lines - that they will refuse the order.


but expect the fragel ego - who will not accept he lost - to go ahead and decaire marshal law in the next 2 days - when he dos it will just be one more thing to charge him for in his trial.

[gaffo]

Updated 7:49 AM ET, Sun January 17, 2021

Acting secretary of defense orders NSA chief to install Trump loyalist as agency's general counsel
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics ... index.html

SO - If in fact the Jan. 6 riots and storming of the Capitol was in fact a Trump coup attempt
- Is it still going on

Remember the famous baseball player and manager, and occasional philosopher Yogi Berra once said:

"It Ain't Over, till it's Over"

yep - it aint over until jan 20th noon - 40 hrs from now.

until then all options for illegal power grabs is open for rump.

[gaffo]

You're talking about factual knowledge in the latter case then? What factual knowledge?

FFS.
How would you judge Hitler's responsibility when he ordered the invasion of the Ukraine. It's not a difficult question.

The folks who actually invaded Ukraine are responsible,

your implication is that Hitler did not order the invasion. Germans under Hitler did not even breathe without their Dear LEader's permission - no fucking way some generals invaded Uekraine without Dear LEaders order first.

[gaffo]

in fact due to Stalins earlier starvation of the Kulaks many Uekrainians aat first welcomed the Germans - until the germns played thier race game and started murding uekrainans lleft and right - so the germns fucked up in not foster friendship with the Uekrainians, and instead - out of their arrogance - let the Uekrainians ally thmeselves witht he Russians - and combinded raized the german thugs from teh face of the earth - good for them.

[gaffo]

The folks who actually invaded Ukraine are responsible, barring other info. What I was clarifying with the nurse example was statuses of factual info--whether anyone was committing contractual fraud, what we can expect people to know re factual info, etc.

I did not ask you about the actual soldiers on the ground I asked you about HITLER's responsibility.
Now please answer the question!

Zero unless we're talking about factual info where there may have been deception, etc.

utter bullshit - learn your history bubba.

[gaffo]

Zero unless we're talking about factual info where there may have been deception, etc.

So no head of state may ever be held responsible for the acts of the country they are ruling. Is that a fair assessment of your position?

If the head of state is the highest level commander of the military, he is responsible for every order given, including one to invade another country.

The front line soldier is not expected to have the geopolitical expertise to decide whether the order is appropriate or not (unlike the nurse, who is expected to have a degree of expert knowledge about every drug to be administered).

The expectation on the soldier is that he will follow the orders of his immediate commander, who will follow the orders of his commander, and so on all the way up to the highest level of command.

yep, and the fact is the Germans sold thier minds to Dear leader by 1933, and even Dear L:eader changed the Amrys oath from one to Gemrny to one to HIM personally - so will all Germans converted to culism of Dar Leader - no fucing wy they would invade any nation - or even walk/beath/pis - without pror permision from hitler.

all nations the germans invaded - and all folks they killed - jews/gypies/homos/communists/johova witneses/etc....were done with Dear Leaders personal commands.

[gaffo]

So no head of state may ever be held responsible for the acts of the country they are ruling. Is that a fair assessment of your position?

What happened to the "unless" part? Answers with nuance or qualifications aren't allowed?

He got you fair and square, you didn't distinguish between the issuing of orders vs suggestions, which is your fault.

what histroy books are you reading? which universe?

[UniversalAlien]

Updated 7:49 AM ET, Sun January 17, 2021

Acting secretary of defense orders NSA chief to install Trump loyalist as agency's general counsel
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics ... index.html

SO - If in fact the Jan. 6 riots and storming of the Capitol was in fact a Trump coup attempt
- Is it still going on

Remember the famous baseball player and manager, and occasional philosopher Yogi Berra once said:

"It Ain't Over, till it's Over"

yep - it aint over until jan 20th noon - 40 hrs from now.

until then all options for illegal power grabs is open for rump.

Probably not - I doubt he is still in full control.

After Jan. 6 - and the resulting chaos, they {high level govt. intelligence agencies} are probably watching him carefully - I would bet they have a protocol for a President who may have become unbalanced.

If he can't provoke some bad players to start real trouble, and even if he can......????

No, unless he has taken "full control" of the intelligence services inside of government
- He is already history.

[gaffo]

Updated 7:49 AM ET, Sun January 17, 2021

Acting secretary of defense orders NSA chief to install Trump loyalist as agency's general counsel
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics ... index.html

SO - If in fact the Jan. 6 riots and storming of the Capitol was in fact a Trump coup attempt
- Is it still going on

Remember the famous baseball player and manager, and occasional philosopher Yogi Berra once said:

"It Ain't Over, till it's Over"

yep - it aint over until jan 20th noon - 40 hrs from now.

until then all options for illegal power grabs is open for rump.

Probably not - I doubt he is still in full control.

After Jan. 6 - and the resulting chaos, they {high level govt. intelligence agencies} are probably watching him carefully - I would bet they have a protocol for a President who may have become unbalanced.

If he can't provoke some bad players to start real trouble, and even if he can......????

No, unless he has taken "full control" of the intelligence services inside of government
- He is already history.

agreed. there adults in the room. including Mark Milly and his chiefs (they made an oath to my Constitution - and if it was made in good faith (and i think they are partiots) - they will ignore any illegal order Dear Leaer makes - i.e. marshall law.

i still think rump is enough unhinged to make siad order before day after tommorrow. no fear that the oder will be carried out.

in a way i hope h does make the order - so one more charge of sedition against him for a trial I HOPE to take place - but on the other hand i hope he does not make that order and this nightmare can just end with less mindless termoil.