Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:13 pm
Nick wrote:
Belinda wrote:Progressive education teaches how to know in the secular world while Platonic education teaches how to acquire universal understanding.
Graduate teachers teach children how to find out facts, and how to form their own judgments. It doesn't matter what you mean by "progressive" and "Platonic".
(Belinda)It is better to learn facts before you adopt some theory.
Nick wrote:
Objective values are actually intersubjective values. You, Nick, believe your values originate in a Higher Source, however your belief has been acquired from your life in a society of people of whom Simone Weil has been one of your significant others.The crux of the problem. Science including graduate teachers teach facts but how do people experience objective values and distinguish them from subjective values? Do objective values initiate with the state and secular values or do they initiate from our Source?
Simone, in turn, acquired her values from her social milieu.
You may be correct, that Higher Source originates ideas in us good and true ideas. However you cannot be sure and it is better to live as if we men are alone in a wide and lonely universe. We do have great prophets and seers to help us navigate, but ultimately we each make our own choices as influenced by our significant others.
It is an error to idolise any significant other. Higher Source is not an other but pervades everything according to its unknown algorithm.