Re: the limits of fascism
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:13 am
That is democracy.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:45 pm Can we not be men and agree a few house rules(?)
Sure, but we don't need democracy for that.
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That is democracy.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:45 pm Can we not be men and agree a few house rules(?)
Sure, but we don't need democracy for that.
That is all true and that is why we love and revere certain men and women who have not been deified. Some of these people are obscure nobody remembers them. Others are remembered briefly by people who knew them. These men and women who meet the criteria in your Biblical quotations lived like Jesus of Nazareth lived, sacrificing all they could for love, yet these unknown people have not been deified.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:23 pmActually, the "responsibility" He literally shouldered was ours.
"...it was our sicknesses that He Himself bore,
And our pains that He carried;
Yet we ourselves assumed that He had been afflicted,
Struck down by God, and humiliated.
But He was pierced for our offenses,
He was crushed for our wrongdoings;
The punishment for our well-being was laid upon Him,
And by His wounds we are healed.
All of us, like sheep, have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the wrongdoing of us all
To fall on Him."
(Isaiah 53:4-6)
Are you naive or something?tillingborn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:15 amWhat are our wrongdoings that Jesus, or anyone else, carries?
Perhaps. Why do you ask?Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:55 amAre you naive or something?tillingborn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:15 amWhat are our wrongdoings that Jesus, or anyone else, carries?
Well, I guess, then, that you don't grasp what death really is. But if you say so...
"Accept the result"? What does that entail, in your view?And if you do not accept the result, you are undemocratic.
What do you suppose you know about death that I don't?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:49 pmWell, I guess, then, that you don't grasp what death really is. But if you say so...
Being British I had no say in the matter, but yes. Did you when Biden was elected?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:49 pm"Accept the result"? What does that entail, in your view?And if you do not accept the result, you are undemocratic.
Did you do it when Trump was elected?
I don't know what you don't know. But for some reason, your understanding of death must be limited, if you don't know that death is a problem.tillingborn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:12 pmWhat do you suppose you know about death that I don't?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:49 pmWell, I guess, then, that you don't grasp what death really is. But if you say so...
Not being American, I was under no obligation to do so. Do you "accept" (in your sense) Brexit?Being British I had no say in the matter, but yes. Did you when Biden was elected?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:49 pm"Accept the result"? What does that entail, in your view?And if you do not accept the result, you are undemocratic.
Did you do it when Trump was elected?
Nope.tillingborn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:13 amThat is democracy.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:45 pm Can we not be men and agree a few house rules(?)
Sure, but we don't need democracy for that.
Darn right.henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:02 pm Recognizin' the individual's life, liberty, and property are his is not a matter of majority say.
One of the despicable things about Christians is that they cannot even grant non-believers peace. Is it not enough that non-Christians die, but they must be punished for eternity for not agreeing with you. No God of love would countenance that.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:38 pmBut for some reason, your understanding of death must be limited, if you don't know that death is a problem.
Are you arguing for proportional representation?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:38 pmSo the idea that the loser in an election is obligated to capitulate or change his opinion just misunderstands democracy completely. All he's obligated to do is not violently overthrow the mandate -- provided that that mandate is truly reflective of the public will, and not of the number of dead people and straw "votes" that could be assembled by manipulators of the process.
Isaiah 48:22. “There is no peace for the wicked,” says the Lord."tillingborn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:30 pmOne of the despicable things about Christians is that they cannot even grant non-believers peace.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:38 pmBut for some reason, your understanding of death must be limited, if you don't know that death is a problem.
No.Are you arguing for proportional representation?
What wretched situation are you in that those things are a concern? Do you live in a place where your life, liberty and property are not yours?henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:02 pmRecognizin' the individual's life, liberty, and property are his is not a matter of majority say.
It's a reality.
You don't vote on it. You may have to defend it, assert it, but no votin', no democracy, is required.
Then in what sense is the Lord merciful?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:34 pmIsaiah 48:22. “There is no peace for the wicked,” says the Lord."tillingborn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:30 pm One of the despicable things about Christians is that they cannot even grant non-believers peace.
Fair enough. Is there a version of democracy you would advocate?