Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:47 pm
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:18 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:04 am
Heh.
Nothing of the kind. It isn't "gaslighting" if you ask somebody for the evidence of what they claim. That's just good sense.
Gaslighting is the devious act of feigning...
Well, I'm not "feigning" anything. I just asked for your evidence. That's all.
And you are just proving the case by what you intentionally leave out.
You are 'feigning' THAT no evidence is presented by merely asserting that you have not had any. You are begging THAT no one could present any 'evidence' and thus DEFINE OUT the possiblity even if any should be given.
The 'gaslighting' is related to you PRETENDING facts but proving that you are manipulating the context, like NOT quoting what you are directly responding to so that others who might read are misdirected into thinking someone said something
else with innuendo. The nature of you intentionally leaving OUT such context proves your deception to those responding to you that you disagree with.
Your incessant repetition to POINT AWAY from your own political abuses by pointing out DISTANT historical abuses that cannot be proven nor disproven is intentionally using the stereotyping of the 'enemy' class you want others to be IMMUNIZED against. You might tell those you FEAR being convinced of something that might expose your frauds by demonizing the ASSOCIATION of some position to something. You are "poisoning the well" of others also by the same tactic rather than using rational arguments of appeal.
Democrats believe that EACH person is 'equal'
No they don't. They believe half of their own country is "deplorable."
FUNNY, considering you are the one pointing fault at the masses. The term 'democrat' refers to those who believe that a GOVERNMENT is something OWNED by ALL the people, not by and for some SPECIAL class of people who inherit power by wealth or luck alone. A 'Republican' believes in the literal version as intiated by Plato that references the "philosopher King" BUT believe differently in that the KINGS you believe ONLY have to have the ownership signficiance. That is, you believe that the owner should have MORE POWER PER VOTE than each person. Your belief is NON-democratic because you interpret people run governments as MORE flawed than to the whims of arbitrary people who simply have power rule simply for owning the 'guns' to power, such as wealth and defensive barricades against the majority you deem are the "deplorables".
Thus, you are being hypocritical to even state the above.
Trump's support as a right-winger FOR the fascists:
There are no fascists for them to support. And Trump has denounced the ideology himself. (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYqKj9-Ivlo) But it's interesting that you're so preoccupied with a former president...[/quote]
Again,...proof of leaving out context. The 'context' missing?: that I pointed out that the very
fascists who are PROUD to declare so, all align with YOUR political ideology, not the democratic majority. The White Supremacists do not allign with the
liberal left as they ALL interpret them as 'commies'. And your lack of responding to this as 'evidence' by HIDING the context in quotes is again supporting your intention to
gaslight the respondents to your posts.
Jews in Concentration camps...were certainly Antifa in principle.
Heck no. "Antifa" is a whole different thing from innocent victims, and is in fact one form of the new fascism.
The blackshirts beating up Koreans and elderly store owners in Portland, or shooting black cops while looting, or sacking Seattle or Minneapolis, or Atlanta, or Dallas, or LA, or Kenosha, or Rochester...and so on, have zero in common with the Jewish victims of the Holocaust. That's an entirely specious comparison, especially since Antifa
are the new fascists. Look at their tactics: how many Jews in Germany sacked towns and punched out store owners, or set fires to police stations, or marched in brainless hordes through the streets, wearing face masks and throwing bricks and Molotov cocktails, or squatting in public buildings or taking over downtowns, or used bully tactics to silence opponents, or stole from businesses... But Hitler's brownshirts themselves sure did those kinds of things. Think of
Kristallnacht. 
I already argue against using counter tactics of abuse that the abusers are using. However, the gaslighting and other forms of deceptive behavior by the 'Right' is justifying WHY they are acting in kind to those they are fighting against. I don't approve of censorship and yet for NOT doing so, you EXPLOIT your use of 'freedom of speech' by intentionally DECIEVING with FORCE! Had you proven that you VOLUNTEER good behavior WHEN granted such freedom, YOU and NOT the LEFT are CAUSING THE VERY THING YOU CLAIM TO BE AGAINST AS IF YOU WERE JUST INTENDING THIS. ....and why I thanked you for being a 'commrade' for FORCING society to HAVE TO censor Trump. I don't agree with censorship, for instance, BUT find that the extremists (of which you no doubt think you are NOT), DO believe in it as the means to have ONLY the owner-class be permitted to govern (and silence the non-owner class).
If you wanted to defeat the abuses you accuse of on the left, why use the very tactics that SPECIFICALLY abuse in principle and practice? I also already argued why the LEFT is actually as much controlled by many sub-conservative thinkers JUST LIKE YOU, but from different cultural-religious beliefs that are in LESS power AT PRESENT. As such, their actual stances may NOT be 'democratic' because they believe in limiting the freedoms that the LEFT stands for. The FACT here is that the KIND of thinking regardless of where people's political side is, FAVORS the 'conservative' mindset because it is them who fear a LOSS of some power of some sort.
So, IF the LEFT were no different to the RIGHT in actual dominant behaviors, the LEFT STILL has the preference of those like me who don't associate to ANY CULT because they are more DIVERSE. If given your belief that the LEFT is 'evil', it is only such for what they share with the kind of abuses those who in principle reside on the RIGHT believe IN PRINCPLE.
If ALL people are 'evil' in some crowd, like in a prison environment for instance, AND you are an individual with NO affiliation to any group, you lose by all regardless. But IF given the choice between having ONE specific 'evil' cult rule over MANY, the side I would have to take is the one that has MANY because I'd have more diversity there among other LIKE myself who are disenfrancized AND are not expected to JOIN IN with any SPECIFIC cult among them there. However, if I had to favor the solitary 'evil' that is more concentrated of ONE (or FEW) kinds on the RIGHT, I'd be FORCED to accept the black-and-white extremes there or keep completely silent for fear of real consequences.
The LEFT (without concern to groups supporting them by cults there) are FORCED to agree to 'liberal' freedoms even among the 'disenfrancized' population because otherwise they run into conflict MORE OFTEN by competing cults there. The problem for me and others like me is that we are FUCKED no matter what because of those like yourself as everpresent. I COULD align with your racists, as many disenfrancized whites have done; but while this is a desperate act for many, I do not want to further empower them simply for being scared of reprisals. NOR do I want what occurred in places like Germany whereby many had no choice but to side with the strict mono-cult believers only to discover that I'd be forced to pretend an ideology that I don't believe in or risk being imprisoned, killed off, or enslaved in the service of those who rule in the minority.
