Propaganda Antidote

[Atla]

What would all the American know-it-alls think, if for example it turned out that their governments did stage 9/11 and the Moon landings?

didn't they?

of course they have, and those were Republican governments at least on paper, so as an outsider, I'm kinda puzzled why so many Americans expect the Republicans of all people to save their country

[Belinda]

Henry, a man who likes libertarian minimalist government should maybe not be supporting politicians whose policies are geared to advancement of the richer class, under the guise of economic growth. Such politicians have workers doing their bidding.

[henry quirk]

What would all the American know-it-alls think, if for example it turned out that their governments did stage 9/11 and the Moon landings?

didn't they?

of course they have, and those were Republican governments at least on paper, so as an outsider, I'm kinda puzzled why so many Americans expect the Republicans of all people to save their country

if true, I can't answer that one: I ain't a repub

[henry quirk]

Henry, a man who likes libertarian minimalist government should maybe not be supporting politicians whose policies are geared to advancement of the richer class, under the guise of economic growth. Such politicians have workers doing their bidding.

which politicians do I support, B?

only one I've talked about favorably in this place is ORANGE MAN, as -- as I've said many, many times -- I hired him to wreck shit, not save shit

so: which politicians are you talkin' about?

[Walker]

Every American benefits under President Trump … another reason why critics hate him.

Perhaps giving Biden voters the “escape hatch” of propaganda-influence in defense of their terribly poor judgment is being generous. Perhaps they actually did vote for him because he is corrupt and suffering from early senility.

Here’s the reason why folks voted for Trump.

Feb. 20, 2020
The U.S. labor market is the strongest it has been in the last half century, as President Trump’s pro-growth economic policies continue boosting labor demand and lowering structural barriers to entering the labor market. Economic data presented in the 2020 Economic Report of the President, which was released today, show that recent labor market gains disproportionately benefit Americans who were previously left behind.

The Trump Economy Benefits Historically-Disadvantaged Americans
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/the ... americans/

(click the link for more factual information)

[Lacewing]

this forum has been degraded by volumes of it.

this place is a free zone

You think freedom means truth?

[DanDare]

bottomline: you're the gatekeeper of your head

lots of folks wanna get in there and monkey around with the workings

up to you, only you, if they do

This is not an effective answer to the question, since you yourself may be the paragon of seeing through propaganda, but you will still be negatively impacted by those in your community who fall for it. Any solution must be widespread.

[DanDare]

By “propaganda” I mean lies.

Insufficient. There all kinds of lies. Propaganda is a very particular kind of communication package - not necessarily or exclusively lies - aimed at a specific audience for a specific purpose.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/propaganda
Before you can study a phenomenon to useful effect, you must first understand what it is. Before you can counteract it, you must understand how it works.

This is certainly so. Looking at the Brittanica description:

Propaganda, dissemination of information—facts, arguments, rumours, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion.

Being charitable, I read into the OP's question as being how to avoid being influenced, and avoid having whole communities influenced, by propaganda that leads to false foundations for action, and to not be perturbed by that propaganda that is more benign or even beneficial.

[DanDare]

The Venezuelan diet

btw: Biden isn't looking so good. Weight loss is a side effect of dementia.

And a sign of fitness.

coupled with incoherency, no, not fitness

he's a houseplant...owned by china...with a whore as his second

Disgusting personal attacks should see you blocked from participation is philosophical debates. This is lowbrow and nonsensical.

[henry quirk]

this forum has been degraded by volumes of it.

this place is a free zone

You think freedom means truth?

what?

[henry quirk]

bottomline: you're the gatekeeper of your head

lots of folks wanna get in there and monkey around with the workings

up to you, only you, if they do

This is not an effective answer to the question, since you yourself may be the paragon of seeing through propaganda, but you will still be negatively impacted by those in your community who fall for it. Any solution must be widespread.

no, the only solution is individual, idiosyncratic: gatekeep your head

[henry quirk]

And a sign of fitness.

coupled with incoherency, no, not fitness

he's a houseplant...owned by china...with a whore as his second

Disgusting personal attacks should see you blocked from participation is philosophical debates. This is lowbrow and nonsensical.

I am lowbrow...take your complaints to management...my ears are deaf

[Skepdick]

I don't think so. I think propaganda means (explicitly, not implicitly) a deliberate, co-ordinated campaign of transmitting information to an audience, where the information is selected, organized, slanted, distorted, falsified, emotionally weighted, packaged and presented in such a way as to persuade the audience of a belief favourable to interests of the purveyor.

So... you have described any philosophy.

Humans communicate using language. Language is incomplete and is fundamentally about compression and omission - leaving "unimportant" details out.
"importance" is always slanted, distorted and emotionally weighted.

The truth which you've chosen to include at the expense of the truth which you've chosen to omit is always amplified through your own volition.

It's quite reasonable to consider British war-time propaganda as "positive", if you think it achieved a desirable goal. But it's not reasonable to call it anything other than propaganda.
It's not reasonable to consider the intellectual output of Nietzsche propaganda, but deliberately selected parts of it could well be incorporated into a propaganda campaign.

Why do you draw this distinction?

Are you suggesting that Nietzsche had no goal/intent in producing intellectual output?

You seem to be suggesting that Nietzsche wasn't "deliberately, transmitting information to an audience, where the information is selected, organized, slanted, distorted, falsified, emotionally weighted and presented in such a way as to persuade the audience of a belief favourable to the interests of the purveyor"?

You've robbed Nietzsche of his volition.

And if all is something and something is everything why bother having names for them?

Because it's favourable to the interests to the purveyors - distinctions and unifications make communication more effective.

[Walker]

bottomline: you're the gatekeeper of your head

lots of folks wanna get in there and monkey around with the workings

up to you, only you, if they do

This is not an effective answer to the question, since you yourself may be the paragon of seeing through propaganda, but you will still be negatively impacted by those in your community who fall for it. Any solution must be widespread.

Censorship is propaganda through omission. In a free society, control of what you know and think is more effective and appropriate for the receiver, not the transmitter. Thinking and discrimination are necessary burdens of freedom.

[Sculptor]

bottomline: you're the gatekeeper of your head

lots of folks wanna get in there and monkey around with the workings

up to you, only you, if they do

This is not an effective answer to the question, since you yourself may be the paragon of seeing through propaganda, but you will still be negatively impacted by those in your community who fall for it. Any solution must be widespread.

Censorship is propaganda through omission. In a free society, control of what you know and think is more effective and appropriate for the receiver, not the transmitter. Thinking and discrimination are necessary burdens of freedom.

Do you think there ought to be no boundaries to what people can say and do? DO you think telling political lies, slander, false accusations and insults towards your political opponants are acceptible?
Henry is clueless. He, I think, has shown himself to be more susseptible to fake news, disinformation and lies than anyone here. It is no coincidence that the sort of people he latches onto like a submissive poodle, are the same people who are getting away with the greatest manipulation of minds since Hitler.
Henry doggedly repeated Trump's lies about covid, and despite the USA hosting the worst death rates in the world, continues with his idiotic position.
These delusions account for millions of suseptible Americans, who not only are a danger to themselves but a danger to everyone they meet.
Countries that have promoted the strictest controls have the healthiest bounce back on their economies.