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Re: Defunding Police

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Sculptor wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:28 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:20 pm

Why do you say Veg is a white-supremacist? I don't think I've ever seen her post anything even remotely like whites being superior to black people. In fact, I'd say it's more like the opposite--that she's as much for justice and equality as any other progressive person.
She's a closet racist. With delusions that black people are in charge.
Sculptor, mate, cut it out: referencing the author of a post in some negative fashion is merely an ad hom attack and not at all helpful in advancing your position.
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commonsense wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:02 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:40 pm Sculptor is under the delusion that he's intellectually superior to everyone on here, and when his idiocy is exposed he lashes out--as all PC religious fanatics do. You are the one who is spot on.
Veg, ad hom’s are so much beneath you, as you are a person with so much more to say (not that I ever agree with it). Besides, personal attacks make it look like the attacker has run out of intelligent arguments to make.
I think you have the ball on the wrong foot.
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commonsense wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:13 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:28 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:20 pm

Why do you say Veg is a white-supremacist? I don't think I've ever seen her post anything even remotely like whites being superior to black people. In fact, I'd say it's more like the opposite--that she's as much for justice and equality as any other progressive person.
She's a closet racist. With delusions that black people are in charge.
Sculptor, mate, cut it out: referencing the author of a post in some negative fashion is merely an ad hom attack and not at all helpful in advancing your position.
I think you might want to direct those comments at your girlfriend
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The liberal elite use to talk about racial, sexual and gender equality in terms of economics, but it's gone beyond that now.
They believe minorities and women are less physically safe and secure than the white majority and men due solely to racism and sexism, not at all due to black and some brown people's propensity for violence.
Not only do they want to make things safer (as if arresting fewer black and brown thugs will make anyone safer) for minorities and women, but they are willing to sacrifice the safety of men and the majority to achieve parity.

How do we feel about that?
Are you willing to sacrifice your (family's) safety to achieve absolute parity (the unachievable)?
So in other words, there's no such thing as black and brown on white hate crimes and racism?
Defund the police, white neighborhoods don't deserve safety until all neighborhoods are equally safe?
Racial quotas for police officers, arrestees, prison officers and prisoners?
No justice, no peace (sanctioned riots)?

Believe all women, what's next, believe all black and brown people?
Reintroduce segregation, all black and brown judges, jurors and prosecutors for black and brown defendants, I mean that's what these black and brown movements openly funded by Soros call for.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/p ... tions.html
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Re: Defunding Police

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Gloominary wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm The liberal elite use to talk about racial, sexual and gender equality in terms of economics, but it's gone beyond that now.
They believe minorities and women are less physically safe and secure than the white majority and men due solely to racism and sexism, not at all due to black and some brown people's propensity for violence.
Not only do they want to make things safer (as if arresting fewer black and brown thugs will make anyone safer) for minorities and women, but they are willing to sacrifice the safety of men and the majority to achieve parity.

How do we feel about that?
Are you willing to sacrifice your (family's) safety to achieve absolute parity (the unachievable)?
So in other words, there's no such thing as black and brown on white hate crimes and racism?
Defund the police, white neighborhoods don't deserve safety until all neighborhoods are equally safe?
Racial quotas for police officers, arrestees, prison officers and prisoners?
No justice, no peace (sanctioned riots)?

Believe all women, what's next, believe all black and brown people?
Reintroduce segregation, all black and brown judges, jurors and prosecutors for black and brown defendants, I mean that's what these black and brown movements openly funded by Soros call for.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/p ... tions.html
What’s going on with G. Soros? Is he corrupt or something like that? Or is he being fake transparent through his organizations?
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Re: Defunding Police

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commonsense wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:18 am
Gloominary wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm The liberal elite use to talk about racial, sexual and gender equality in terms of economics, but it's gone beyond that now.
They believe minorities and women are less physically safe and secure than the white majority and men due solely to racism and sexism, not at all due to black and some brown people's propensity for violence.
Not only do they want to make things safer (as if arresting fewer black and brown thugs will make anyone safer) for minorities and women, but they are willing to sacrifice the safety of men and the majority to achieve parity.

How do we feel about that?
Are you willing to sacrifice your (family's) safety to achieve absolute parity (the unachievable)?
So in other words, there's no such thing as black and brown on white hate crimes and racism?
Defund the police, white neighborhoods don't deserve safety until all neighborhoods are equally safe?
Racial quotas for police officers, arrestees, prison officers and prisoners?
No justice, no peace (sanctioned riots)?

Believe all women, what's next, believe all black and brown people?
Reintroduce segregation, all black and brown judges, jurors and prosecutors for black and brown defendants, I mean that's what these black and brown movements openly funded by Soros call for.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/p ... tions.html
What’s going on with G. Soros? Is he corrupt or something like that? Or is he being fake transparent through his organizations?
He's a crony capitalist and a ziomarxist Sith Lord.
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Re: Defunding Police

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So it can be said that black and brown movements are crony capitalist and ziomarxist?
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commonsense wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:56 pm So it can be said that black and brown movements are crony capitalist and ziomarxist?
Black movements like Black Lives Matter aren't crony capitalist (corporatist, monetarist) because they don't feign to be capitalist, they're ziomarxist with an emphasis on racial socialism.
Not all black and brown movements are ziomarxist but BLM is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgEUbSzOTZ8

I say ziomarxist rather than just Marxist because Jews disproportionately fund and lead Marxism (which's not to say gentiles don't also fund and lead it) and most Marxist Jews are Zionists, they want Israel to remain independent, relatively free and democratic while the rest of the world lives under a global, totalitarian dictatorship, disproportionately headed by Jews.
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Re: Defunding Police

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Gloominary wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm The liberal elite use to talk about racial, sexual and gender equality in terms of economics, but it's gone beyond that now.
They believe minorities and women are less physically safe and secure than the white majority and men due solely to racism and sexism, not at all due to black and some brown people's propensity for violence.
Not only do they want to make things safer (as if arresting fewer black and brown thugs will make anyone safer) for minorities and women, but they are willing to sacrifice the safety of men and the majority to achieve parity.

How do we feel about that?
Are you willing to sacrifice your (family's) safety to achieve absolute parity (the unachievable)?
So in other words, there's no such thing as black and brown on white hate crimes and racism?
Defund the police, white neighborhoods don't deserve safety until all neighborhoods are equally safe?
Racial quotas for police officers, arrestees, prison officers and prisoners?
No justice, no peace (sanctioned riots)?

Believe all women, what's next, believe all black and brown people?
Reintroduce segregation, all black and brown judges, jurors and prosecutors for black and brown defendants, I mean that's what these black and brown movements openly funded by Soros call for.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/p ... tions.html
Intimidating people into silence is hardly a 'liberal' attribute. Stop referring to those fascist turds as 'liberals'. It's a dangerous misuse and abuse of language.
Think of any fascist regime. What is the first thing they do? Shut down free speech and get rid of the thinkers and intellectuals.

It's no coincidence that the rise of social media has coincided with the explosion of PCturdism. These morons are incapable of intelligent debate, but tools like twitter and facebook have given them more power than would ever have been possible otherwise. It doesn't take a heck of a lot of intellectual capacity to post a two sentence threatening and abusive 'tweet' multiplied 10k times.
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Re: Defunding Police

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:18 pm
Gloominary wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm The liberal elite use to talk about racial, sexual and gender equality in terms of economics, but it's gone beyond that now.
They believe minorities and women are less physically safe and secure than the white majority and men due solely to racism and sexism, not at all due to black and some brown people's propensity for violence.
Not only do they want to make things safer (as if arresting fewer black and brown thugs will make anyone safer) for minorities and women, but they are willing to sacrifice the safety of men and the majority to achieve parity.

How do we feel about that?
Are you willing to sacrifice your (family's) safety to achieve absolute parity (the unachievable)?
So in other words, there's no such thing as black and brown on white hate crimes and racism?
Defund the police, white neighborhoods don't deserve safety until all neighborhoods are equally safe?
Racial quotas for police officers, arrestees, prison officers and prisoners?
No justice, no peace (sanctioned riots)?

Believe all women, what's next, believe all black and brown people?
Reintroduce segregation, all black and brown judges, jurors and prosecutors for black and brown defendants, I mean that's what these black and brown movements openly funded by Soros call for.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/p ... tions.html
Intimidating people into silence is hardly a 'liberal' attribute. Stop referring to those fascist turds as 'liberals'. It's a dangerous misuse and abuse of language.
Think of any fascist regime. What is the first thing they do? Shut down free speech and get rid of the thinkers and intellectuals.

It's no coincidence that the rise of social media has coincided with the explosion of PCturdism. These morons are incapable of intelligent debate, but tools like twitter and facebook have given them more power than would ever have been possible otherwise. It doesn't take a heck of a lot of intellectual capacity to post a two sentence threatening and abusive 'tweet' multiplied 10k times.
Yea, etymologically they're not liberals, they're progressives, or commies.
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Gloominary wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:56 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:18 pm
Gloominary wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm The liberal elite use to talk about racial, sexual and gender equality in terms of economics, but it's gone beyond that now.
They believe minorities and women are less physically safe and secure than the white majority and men due solely to racism and sexism, not at all due to black and some brown people's propensity for violence.
Not only do they want to make things safer (as if arresting fewer black and brown thugs will make anyone safer) for minorities and women, but they are willing to sacrifice the safety of men and the majority to achieve parity.

How do we feel about that?
Are you willing to sacrifice your (family's) safety to achieve absolute parity (the unachievable)?
So in other words, there's no such thing as black and brown on white hate crimes and racism?
Defund the police, white neighborhoods don't deserve safety until all neighborhoods are equally safe?
Racial quotas for police officers, arrestees, prison officers and prisoners?
No justice, no peace (sanctioned riots)?

Believe all women, what's next, believe all black and brown people?
Reintroduce segregation, all black and brown judges, jurors and prosecutors for black and brown defendants, I mean that's what these black and brown movements openly funded by Soros call for.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/p ... tions.html
Intimidating people into silence is hardly a 'liberal' attribute. Stop referring to those fascist turds as 'liberals'. It's a dangerous misuse and abuse of language.
Think of any fascist regime. What is the first thing they do? Shut down free speech and get rid of the thinkers and intellectuals.

It's no coincidence that the rise of social media has coincided with the explosion of PCturdism. These morons are incapable of intelligent debate, but tools like twitter and facebook have given them more power than would ever have been possible otherwise. It doesn't take a heck of a lot of intellectual capacity to post a two sentence threatening and abusive 'tweet' multiplied 10k times.
I will when you stop calling them fascists, they're commies.
So now 'commies' are liberal?


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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:07 am
Gloominary wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:56 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:18 pm

Intimidating people into silence is hardly a 'liberal' attribute. Stop referring to those fascist turds as 'liberals'. It's a dangerous misuse and abuse of language.
Think of any fascist regime. What is the first thing they do? Shut down free speech and get rid of the thinkers and intellectuals.

It's no coincidence that the rise of social media has coincided with the explosion of PCturdism. These morons are incapable of intelligent debate, but tools like twitter and facebook have given them more power than would ever have been possible otherwise. It doesn't take a heck of a lot of intellectual capacity to post a two sentence threatening and abusive 'tweet' multiplied 10k times.
I will when you stop calling them fascists, they're commies.
So now 'commies' are liberal?
I just edited my response to you.
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Gloominary wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:56 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:18 pm
Gloominary wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm The liberal elite use to talk about racial, sexual and gender equality in terms of economics, but it's gone beyond that now.
They believe minorities and women are less physically safe and secure than the white majority and men due solely to racism and sexism, not at all due to black and some brown people's propensity for violence.
Not only do they want to make things safer (as if arresting fewer black and brown thugs will make anyone safer) for minorities and women, but they are willing to sacrifice the safety of men and the majority to achieve parity.

How do we feel about that?
Are you willing to sacrifice your (family's) safety to achieve absolute parity (the unachievable)?
So in other words, there's no such thing as black and brown on white hate crimes and racism?
Defund the police, white neighborhoods don't deserve safety until all neighborhoods are equally safe?
Racial quotas for police officers, arrestees, prison officers and prisoners?
No justice, no peace (sanctioned riots)?

Believe all women, what's next, believe all black and brown people?
Reintroduce segregation, all black and brown judges, jurors and prosecutors for black and brown defendants, I mean that's what these black and brown movements openly funded by Soros call for.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/p ... tions.html
Intimidating people into silence is hardly a 'liberal' attribute. Stop referring to those fascist turds as 'liberals'. It's a dangerous misuse and abuse of language.
Think of any fascist regime. What is the first thing they do? Shut down free speech and get rid of the thinkers and intellectuals.

It's no coincidence that the rise of social media has coincided with the explosion of PCturdism. These morons are incapable of intelligent debate, but tools like twitter and facebook have given them more power than would ever have been possible otherwise. It doesn't take a heck of a lot of intellectual capacity to post a two sentence threatening and abusive 'tweet' multiplied 10k times.
Yea, etymologically they're not liberals, they're progressives, or commies.
I think a "progressive" should technically be someone who believes that human society is progressing toward some greater realization of justice. A "communist" is someone who believes that all (or most) property should be shared in common. Though they can overlap, they are not necessarily always the same thing. Just like a "conservative" need not necessarily be a capitalist. A conservative is simply someone who tries to conserve at least some of their past culture or society rather than push ahead at full speed and is probably more along the lines of the opposite of "progressive". A "communist" is probably more along the lines of the opposite of a capitalist. A "liberal" is someone who places a high value on liberty. Again, a "liberal" can technically be "conservative" if say their society were transitioning to an illiberal one.

And then there's the completely messed up American two party system which tries to cram everyone into two broad camps. One loosely grouped around the Democratic Party the other loosely grouped around the Republican Party.

And there are, of course, the "anarchists" who tend to be very critical toward any and all authority and "libertarians" who seem to tend more toward favoring freedom over liberty.

And others...
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:37 am
Gloominary wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:56 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:18 pm

Intimidating people into silence is hardly a 'liberal' attribute. Stop referring to those fascist turds as 'liberals'. It's a dangerous misuse and abuse of language.
Think of any fascist regime. What is the first thing they do? Shut down free speech and get rid of the thinkers and intellectuals.

It's no coincidence that the rise of social media has coincided with the explosion of PCturdism. These morons are incapable of intelligent debate, but tools like twitter and facebook have given them more power than would ever have been possible otherwise. It doesn't take a heck of a lot of intellectual capacity to post a two sentence threatening and abusive 'tweet' multiplied 10k times.
Yea, etymologically they're not liberals, they're progressives, or commies.
I think a "progressive" should technically be someone who believes that human society is progressing toward some greater realization of justice. A "communist" is someone who believes that all (or most) property should be shared in common. Though they can overlap, they are not necessarily always the same thing. Just like a "conservative" need not necessarily be a capitalist. A conservative is simply someone who tries to conserve at least some of their past culture or society rather than push ahead at full speed and is probably more along the lines of the opposite of "progressive". A "communist" is probably more along the lines of the opposite of a capitalist. A "liberal" is someone who places a high value on liberty. Again, a "liberal" can technically be "conservative" if say their society were transitioning to an illiberal one.

And then there's the completely messed up American two party system which tries to cram everyone into two broad camps. One loosely grouped around the Democratic Party the other loosely grouped around the Republican Party.

And there are, of course, the "anarchists" who tend to be very critical toward any and all authority and "libertarians" who seem to tend more toward favoring freedom over liberty.

And others...
In the broadest sense of the word, a progressive is someone who wants to change society, government and economics in largely unprecedented ways, for what they believe is the better.
Its antonym is the conservative, who wants to keep things as is, or resurrect some real, or imagined golden age, albeit updated/graded.
In a narrower sense of the word, a progressive is a social democrat/technocrat, an environmentalist, a germaphobe, anti-gun, who practices leftwing identity politics (anti (or reverse) ageism, ableism, ethnocentrism, nationalism, racism, religionism, sexism and so on), who believes in gradualism, incrementalism rather than ultraviolent revolution.
Progressivism is basically socialism or communism-lite, whereas conservatism is fascism or Nazism-lite.
Yea, and then there's classical liberalism and libertarianism on the one hand, and left or rightwing authoritarianism and totalitarianism on the other, anarchism and statism, and so on.
Right, dems tend to be progressive, republicans conservative, or libertarian.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:37 am
And there are, of course, the "anarchists" who tend to be very critical toward any and all authority and "libertarians" who seem to tend more toward favoring freedom over liberty.
Why do you differentiate freedom and liberty?
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