ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

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ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Dachshund » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm

Dear Forum Members,


I hereby declare that all socialists fall into one of FOUR categories: (1) IGNORANT or COGNITIVELY DEFICIENT (2) COSSETTED MIDDLE CLASS HYPOCRITES (3) LIARS and SCOUNDRELS working in the academy's non-STEM faculties (4) POLITICAL SCUM working for the state.

If anyone would like to dispute this, or my more general claim that SOCIALISM is PURE POISON, I would love to hear your argument/s



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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Age » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:08 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Dear Forum Members,


I hereby declare that all socialists fall into one of FOUR categories: (1) IGNORANT or COGNITIVELY DEFICIENT (2) COSSETTED MIDDLE CLASS HYPOCRITES (3) LIARS and SCOUNDRELS working in the academy's non-STEM faculties (4) POLITICAL SCUM working for the state.

If anyone would like to dispute this, or my more general claim that SOCIALISM is PURE POISON, I would love to hear your argument/s



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How are you defining 'socialist' here?

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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Age » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:26 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Dear Forum Members,


I hereby declare that all socialists fall into one of FOUR categories: (1) IGNORANT or COGNITIVELY DEFICIENT (2) COSSETTED MIDDLE CLASS HYPOCRITES (3) LIARS and SCOUNDRELS working in the academy's non-STEM faculties (4) POLITICAL SCUM working for the state.

If anyone would like to dispute this,
What is there to dispute? This is just what you declare, and you are free to declare absolutely any thing that you want to.

As to the accuracy, if any, in what you say/declare, then that is another matter. You need to be able to clarify what you are actually talking about first.
Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm
or my more general claim that SOCIALISM is PURE POISON, I would love to hear your argument/s
I would love to hear what you mean when you say 'PURE POISON'.

I usually relate the word 'poison' with some thing that prevents/stops physicals things from living.

And I would probably relate the word 'pure', when in relation to the word 'poison', as some thing that prevents/stops physical things almost instantly from living.

But you might have a completely different meaning.

I await your reply.
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socialism is communism

Post by henry quirk » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:31 pm

I prefer not to split hairs on this: fundamentally, the two are the same. the *differences aren't worth noting.

Now, truth is: a real, by-the-book socialism/communism has never existed and never will exist (except on the very small, local scale). Human beings aren't built for it, and it's gonna take a whole helluva lot of social (and, probably, neurological) engineering to get the bulk of men to willingly accept such a thing large-scale & long-term.

No, the only real experience we have is with state socialism/communism, and it's pretty clear how that works out.

Yeah, the state capitalism we're saddled with ain't the greatest, but -- even at its worst -- it's pure friggin' heaven when compared to the absolute hell of state socialism/communism at its best.











*the only real difference: socialsm is the gun we stick in our own mouth; communism is the gun someone else sticks in our mouth...the end result is the same either way.

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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Lacewing » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:12 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm
I hereby declare that all socialists fall into one of FOUR categories: (1) IGNORANT or COGNITIVELY DEFICIENT (2) COSSETTED MIDDLE CLASS HYPOCRITES (3) LIARS and SCOUNDRELS working in the academy's non-STEM faculties (4) POLITICAL SCUM working for the state.

If anyone would like to dispute this, or my more general claim that SOCIALISM is PURE POISON, I would love to hear your argument/s
So, you make a bunch of lame-brain, lop-sided, delusional and childish declarations, and then you want people to give you thoughtful arguments? Fuck you!

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"Fuck you!"

Post by henry quirk » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:20 pm

sez the enlightened commie, lover of all mankind

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Re: "Fuck you!"

Post by Lacewing » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:56 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:20 pm
sez the enlightened commie, lover of all mankind
You don't think it's possible to feel love for all of life, as well as being able to tell someone "fuck you" when they're acting like an idiot? If it's all a show on a stage, why must the script be so limited? This simply shows your limitations in understanding potential, Henry. :) Your "line" of thinking is limited to that "line". What if you had a "plane" of thinking? Or even 3D? :shock: Imagine the possibilities!

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Lace

Post by henry quirk » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:59 pm

"You don't think it's possible to feel love for all of life(?)"

No, I don't think it's possible.

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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Kayla » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:53 pm

Age wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:08 pm
How are you defining 'socialist' here?
wrong question

when a dog barks do you ask it to define 'woof'?

basically in this context 'socialism' means 'argghh! me no like! me angry!'

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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:11 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Dear Forum Members,


I hereby declare that all socialists fall into one of FOUR categories: (1) IGNORANT or COGNITIVELY DEFICIENT (2) COSSETTED MIDDLE CLASS HYPOCRITES (3) LIARS and SCOUNDRELS working in the academy's non-STEM faculties (4) POLITICAL SCUM working for the state.

If anyone would like to dispute this, or my more general claim that SOCIALISM is PURE POISON, I would love to hear your argument/s



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Dachshund (Der Uberweiner)
Statements like, "(X) is (Y)", is NOT an argument. You need to ADD a why based upon SHARED assumptions to justify why others 'should' be begged to agree by some logical meaning.

So first try to express why you believe socialism is pure poisoning. Because the terms 'socialism' is not defined BY its emotive impact, the term 'pure poisoning' association in your mind also needs to be justified.

For example, many people presume any 'kid' or 'child' IMPLIES 'an innocent person'. But since the state of being innocent is not uniquely implying that a person IS a child, one requires establishing why one believes the emotive judgment of anyone asserting children's states of mind is relevant to the meaning of 'children'. Valuing innocence does not imply that you value children. Thus if one asserted that "all children are innocent", the mere possible sharing of the value of innocent people doesn't mean you require sharing a virtue of children or the presumption that all children ARE innocent.

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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Dachshund » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:23 pm

Age wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:08 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Dear Forum Members,


I hereby declare that all socialists fall into one of FOUR categories: (1) IGNORANT or COGNITIVELY DEFICIENT (2) COSSETTED MIDDLE CLASS HYPOCRITES (3) LIARS and SCOUNDRELS working in the academy's non-STEM faculties (4) POLITICAL SCUM working for the state.

If anyone would like to dispute this, or my more general claim that SOCIALISM is PURE POISON, I would love to hear your argument/s



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Dachshund (Der Uberweiner)
How are you defining 'socialist' here?
A socialist an individual who believes that the state should own the means of production, and that all private ownership of property should be abolished. Socialists also advocate equity (equality of OUTCOME as an end that must be pursued from equality of opportunity)
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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Dachshund » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:54 pm

Scott Mayers wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:11 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Dear Forum Members,


I hereby declare that all socialists fall into one of FOUR categories: (1) IGNORANT or COGNITIVELY DEFICIENT (2) COSSETTED MIDDLE CLASS HYPOCRITES (3) LIARS and SCOUNDRELS working in the academy's non-STEM faculties (4) POLITICAL SCUM working for the state.

If anyone would like to dispute this, or my more general claim that SOCIALISM is PURE POISON, I would love to hear your argument/s



Kindest Regards


Dachshund (Der Uberweiner)
Statements like, "(X) is (Y)", is NOT an argument. You need to ADD a why based upon SHARED assumptions to justify why others 'should' be begged to agree by some logical meaning.

Any educated person with even a basic knowledge of modern history, who has to ask for logical reasons why socialism is toxic must surely be afflicted with some form of psychiatric/psychological disorder.

So first try to express why you believe socialism is pure poisoning. Because the terms 'socialism' is not defined BY its emotive impact, the term 'pure poisoning' association in your mind also needs to be justified.
It seems to me that any Westerner of average intelligence with even a rudimentary knowledge of modern history who has to have the justification for why socialism is an evil political ideology spelled out for him, must surely be afflicted with some kind of delusional/psychotic psychiatric disorder.

Socialism is poison. Pure poison (like pure cyanide, for example) is a dramatically and drastically efficient killer. Socialism murdered over 120,000,000 innocent individuals in relatively short order (historically speaking) during the 20th century. Socialism is poison because it it has failed spectacularly in every nation that has embraced it, promoting not human flourishing, but universal human misery and suffering of every imaginable kind in every place in the world where it managed to establish itself as a system of government.


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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Dachshund » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:02 pm

Kayla wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:53 pm
Age wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:08 pm
How are you defining 'socialist' here?
wrong question

when a dog barks do you ask it to define 'woof'?

basically in this context 'socialism' means 'argghh! me no like! me angry!'
On a personal note, yes, socialism and its proponents do make me VERY angry. "Me noey likey" a political ideology that murders and degrades the human beings who are forced or deceived into living under it.

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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:07 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:23 pm
Age wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:08 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Dear Forum Members,


I hereby declare that all socialists fall into one of FOUR categories: (1) IGNORANT or COGNITIVELY DEFICIENT (2) COSSETTED MIDDLE CLASS HYPOCRITES (3) LIARS and SCOUNDRELS working in the academy's non-STEM faculties (4) POLITICAL SCUM working for the state.

If anyone would like to dispute this, or my more general claim that SOCIALISM is PURE POISON, I would love to hear your argument/s



Kindest Regards


Dachshund (Der Uberweiner)
How are you defining 'socialist' here?
A socialist an individual who believes that the state should own the means of production.
No, technically, "Communism" is the word referring to ownership. The concept of 'socialism' relates to whether management of a government should or should not act to make laws that regard setting up systems of social supports of individuals regardless of ownership and often in light of the unfairness of those who DO OWN to prefer to act as PRIVATE GOVERNMENTS unaccountable to the people for their welfare. The conservative mindset is to believe that they have some intrinsic 'right' to the Earth by fiat of CLAIM of what is one's own by some force of Nature (usually via some god) to favor them uniquely.

What you figure a government should do is to act as the MEDIUM OF those who OWN uniquely by serving only to protect the presumed 'right' of claims of what is one's own. You don't like laws that LIMIT your means to use the power of inheritance, limits upon HOW much you own, nor laws that demand you treat others fairly BY whatever power you hold over others. That is, you want the benefits of the power you hold over people but without the liabilities Of those same people. So you are against laws that force tax dollars go towards the general health and well-being of people based upon differences of ownership. Conservatives DO favor the kinds of 'socialism' that forces blind obedience and respect of those who 'own'. They favor a transfer of the socialism to be run by voluntary organizations, like churches, as any burden or cost associated with advancing one's power are the fiscal liabilities to ownership capitalizing (opportunities of exploiting people's differences of power regardless of fairness).

(I have more to say but have to go for now. Later)Governments have to serve ALL people, not just those with established power of ownership. Ownership itself is a privilege that can't ignore the very people as a whole to permit you that as some right.

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Re: ARE THERE ANY SOCIALISTS HERE ?

Post by Dachshund » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:22 pm

Scott Mayers wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:07 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:23 pm
Age wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:08 pm


How are you defining 'socialist' here?
A socialist an individual who believes that the state should own the means of production.
No, technically, "Communism" is the word referring to ownership. The concept of 'socialism' relates to whether management of a government should or should not act to make laws that regard setting up systems of social supports of individuals regardless of ownership and often in light of the unfairness of those who DO OWN to prefer to act as PRIVATE GOVERNMENTS unaccountable to the people for their welfare. The conservative mindset is to believe that they have some intrinsic 'right' to the Earth by fiat of CLAIM of what is one's own by some force of Nature (usually via some god) to favor them uniquely.

What you figure a government should do is to act as the MEDIUM OF those who OWN uniquely by serving only to protect the presumed 'right' of claims of what is one's own. You don't like laws that LIMIT your means to use the power of inheritance, limits upon HOW much you own, nor laws that demand you treat others fairly BY whatever power you hold over others. That is, you want the benefits of the power you hold over people but without the liabilities Of those same people. So you are against laws that force tax dollars go towards the general health and well-being of people based upon differences of ownership. Conservatives DO favor the kinds of 'socialism' that forces blind obedience and respect of those who 'own'. They favor a transfer of the socialism to be run by voluntary organizations, like churches, as any burden or cost associated with advancing one's power are the fiscal liabilities to ownership capitalizing (opportunities of exploiting people's differences of power regardless of fairness).



(I have more to say but have to go for now. Later)Governments have to serve ALL people, not just those with established power of ownership. Ownership itself is a privilege that can't ignore the very people as a whole to permit you that as some right.
NO ! Incorrect ! "Communism" was the quasi-religious, "eschatological" term Karl Marx coined (no one else) to describe the utopic society that would, he firmly believed, follow the socialist society ( the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat") at the end of history. For Marx, Communism and Socialism were entirely different "balls of wax".

As for the rest of your slippery leftist hogswash I will deal with it tomorrow.


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