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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Age » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:52 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:36 pm
philosopher wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:17 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... shae-jones

A pregnant women is jailed for having been shot so the fetus got killed... she didn't fire the gun, someone else committed the crime against her/the fetus. Yet, the woman is jailed.

That's Conservatism for you, right there!

Conservatives are monsters.


Dear Philosopher,




On the 5th July, 2019 Alabama dropped the charges against the pregnant woman who was shot in the abdomen and lost her 5 month old foetus.

Here are some facts I would like you to consider in the context of this incident before I put a question to you...

(1) The incident took place in the city of Birmingham, Alabama.

(2) The current census shows that Birmingham's population is 75% Black/African American.

(3) FBI statistics show that Birmingham is currently the second highest rate of gun deaths in America.

(4) In 2018, 99% of known criminal homicide suspects in Birmingham were Black/African Americams

(5) Of the 99 criminal homicides 75% of the victims were Black/African males and 14 were Black/African-American females.

(A) The shooter in the case you mentioned in your OP was a 23 year old Black female, named Ebony Jemison who was a Birminham resident.

(B) The pregnant woman she shot was a 27 year old Black/African-American Birmingham resident named Marshae Jones.




Jones initiated and pressed a physical altercation between herself and Jemison regarding the paternity (that doesn't surprise me) of the child that she was carrying. IMO, that was very foolish, stupid and irresponsible behaviour for a woman who is 5 months pregnant to have engaged herself in.




Given this physical altercation took place between two females (i.e; it was what we call a "cat fight" where I come from) and ,generally speaking, young females lack the muscular strength (both Jones and Jemison were of slightly built) to do any kind of serious or potentially lethal harm with their fists or limbs (legs) in a fight, it was improbable that Jone's foetus would have been severely harmed or killed during the altercation. Sure, it was POSSIBLE, but , IMO pretty unlikely, given, as I say both of these young women did not have large , muscular physiques. But, one would expect that Jemison must have known for sure that firing a bullet from a handgun into Jone's abdomen would carry an extremely high probability of killing Jone's foetus. That is, that she was applying lethal force to defend herself in a situation ( a "cat-fight" between herself and Jones) that was very unlikely to taken her life or caused grievous bodily harm of any kind - a few scratches, cuts, bruises, maybe a sprain etc; is probably all she would have received. A reasonably fit and strong young male can kill with one well-connected punch - women cannot do that.



This incident was all-too-common, "black -on- black" gun homicide (the foetus was murdered) in Birmingham a 75% Black majority southern city; i.e; yet another example of one black/African -American shooting another to death with a firearm. "Interestingly", this is NOT a problem with the white population of Birmingham. The whites in the city do not go about blowing each other away with pistols/revolvers/rifles in order to settle disputes they are having.



Well, now. WHY is this the case, Philosopher? I know the reason, and I can back it up with empirical evidence. Let's see if you can work it out old sport? (It's not "rocket science !)
This will be so called "interesting".


Dachshund wrote:
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Look forward to hearing your explanation.



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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Dachshund » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:01 pm

Age,

It's not that interesting in the sense that every ordinary, rational white (Oooops, I said it - the "W" word !) person in the US, knows full well why black-majority American cities, like Birmingham and Detroit etc; are riddled with serious ,violent crime; it's just that no one is allowed to say it.

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:29 pm

Would they be the same reasons given for the Irish in the US past?

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Dachshund » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:50 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:29 pm
Would they be the same reasons given for the Irish in the US past?
You are on the right track, but I am waiting to hear from Philosopher, as he was the one who began this OP. If he is unable to respond or provides the wrong reason/s then I will set down the answer in full myself.

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Dachshund » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:03 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:29 pm
Would they be the same reasons given for the Irish in the US past?

PS: Arring, if I offered you odds of 3/1 on the Democrats winning the 2020 Presidential election, would you be tempted into placing a little wager with the old "Uberweiner" (i.e; ME) ?? 8) 8)

??????

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Mannie

Post by henry quirk » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:24 pm

"Jay Budziszewski, professor of ethics at U. of Texas, who wrote a book called, "What We Can't Not Know."

Gonna find it...thanks!

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Immanuel Can » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:25 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:50 pm
Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:29 pm
Would they be the same reasons given for the Irish in the US past?
You are on the right track, but I am waiting to hear from Philosopher, as he was the one who began this OP. If he is unable to respond or provides the wrong reason/s then I will set down the answer in full myself.
Would your reason have anything to do with the fact that Baltimore, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Memphis, LA, St. Louis, Oakland, Birmingham, Atlanta, Stockton, Cleveland, Kansas City, Buffalo, Houston, Seattle and New Orleans...and many of the other such economically-disastrous and sociologically ghettoized regions of the States have been run by Democrat administrations for as long as anybody can remember?

And does it shift anything in your thinking if you know also that of the top ten most dangerous cities, about half of their mayors are white and half are black?

Would that have any impact on your evaluation?

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Re: Mannie

Post by Immanuel Can » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:26 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:24 pm
"Jay Budziszewski, professor of ethics at U. of Texas, who wrote a book called, "What We Can't Not Know."

Gonna find it...thanks!
It's a good read. You're welcome.

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:27 pm

philosopher wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:17 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... shae-jones

A pregnant women is jailed for having been shot so the fetus got killed... she didn't fire the gun, someone else committed the crime against her/the fetus. Yet, the woman is jailed.

That's Conservatism for you, right there!

Conservatives are monsters.
No, what you mean is that many US southerners are idiots! Which is why many of them identify themselves as conservatives. :lol:

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:25 pm

Dachshund wrote:You are on the right track, but I am waiting to hear from Philosopher, as he was the one who began this OP. If he is unable to respond or provides the wrong reason/s then I will set down the answer in full myself. ...
Please! Spare us as we'vw heard it enough times already.
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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:45 am

Dachshund wrote: PS: Arring, if I offered you odds of 3/1 on the Democrats winning the 2020 Presidential election, would you be tempted into placing a little wager with the old "Uberweiner" (i.e; ME) ?? 8) 8)

??????
I don't give two tosses about American presidential elections.

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Dachshund » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:46 am

Arising_uk wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:45 am
Dachshund wrote: PS: Arring, if I offered you odds of 3/1 on the Democrats winning the 2020 Presidential election, would you be tempted into placing a little wager with the old "Uberweiner" (i.e; ME) ?? 8) 8)

??????
I don't give two tosses about American presidential elections.


You should do, because if the socialists win in 2020, that will be the end of America, the great Constitutional Republic - the leader of the free Western world. If the socialists get up (and it is POSSIBLE they could) the US will morph into 3rd world "shit-hole" overnight. And when America goes down, guess which little Island will go down under the waves two minutes later with it? Yes, that's right , knuckle -head, BLIGHTY. Who do you think has your arse covered 24/7 from foreign invasion? AMERICA.

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PS: It is a lie that you are not interested in American politics, because you've sent plenty of posts in the past regarding US political affairs. You are just too chicken to put your money where your mouth is - (a mouth which talks a load of leftist, liberal-progressive bollix) - and back your US socialist buddies in the in the 2020 poll against Trump. Can't blame you, I suppose, the US Democrat front runners in the Presidential candidacy contest are the literally the greatest pack of political clowns I have ever seen in 35 years). But I'm a sporting gentleman, and I'm feeling generous this evening, so I'll even offer you 5/1 on the Democrats in 2020. Tempted ?? We could arrange payments by electronic transfer of funds (using PMs to exchange details)

U-S-A !....U-S-A !....U-S-A !....U-S-A ! KEEP AMERICA GREAT !!
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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:17 am

Dachshund wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:46 am
Arising_uk wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:45 am
Dachshund wrote: PS: Arring, if I offered you odds of 3/1 on the Democrats winning the 2020 Presidential election, would you be tempted into placing a little wager with the old "Uberweiner" (i.e; ME) ?? 8) 8)

??????
I don't give two tosses about American presidential elections.


You should do, because if the socialists win in 2020, that will be the end of America, the great Constitution Republic - the leader of the free Western world. If the socialists get up (and it is POSSIBLE they could) the US will morph into 3rd world "shit-hole" overnight. And when America goes down, guess which little Island will go down under the waves two minutes later with it? Yes, that's right , knuckle -head, BLIGHTY. Who do you think has your arse covered 24/7 from foreign invasion? AMERICA.

Dachshund (der Uberweiner) WOOF !! WOOF !! .................................(Beware of the dog)


PS: It is a lie that you are not interested in American politics, because you've sent plenty of posts in the past regarding US political affairs. You are just too chicken to put your money where your mouth is - (a mouth which talks a load of leftist, liberal-progressive bollix) - and back your US socialist buddies in the in the 2020 poll against Trump. Can't blame you, I suppose, the US Democrat front runners in the Presidential candidacy contest are the literally the greatest pack of political clowns I have ever seen in 35 years). But I'm a sporting gentleman, and I'm feeling generous this evening, so I'll even offer you 5/1 on the Democrats in 2020. Tempted ?? We could arrange payments by electronic transfer of funds (using PMs to exchange details)

U-S-A !....U-S-A !....U-S-A !....U-S-A ! KEEP AMERICA GREAT !!
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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Age » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:38 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:01 pm
Age,

It's not that interesting in the sense that every ordinary, rational white (Oooops, I said it - the "W" word !) person in the US, knows full well why black-majority American cities, like Birmingham and Detroit etc; are riddled with serious ,violent crime; it's just that no one is allowed to say it.
Is that WHY you will NOT say it also?

Are you REALLY that scared to say it?

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by philosopher » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:51 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:36 pm
philosopher wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:17 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... shae-jones

A pregnant women is jailed for having been shot so the fetus got killed... she didn't fire the gun, someone else committed the crime against her/the fetus. Yet, the woman is jailed.

That's Conservatism for you, right there!

Conservatives are monsters.


Dear Philosopher,




On the 5th July, 2019 Alabama dropped the charges against the pregnant woman who was shot in the abdomen and lost her 5 month old foetus.

Here are some facts I would like you to consider in the context of this incident before I put a question to you...

(1) The incident took place in the city of Birmingham, Alabama.

(2) The current census shows that Birmingham's population is 75% Black/African American.

(3) FBI statistics show that Birmingham currently has the second highest rate of gun deaths in America (!)

(4) In 2018, 99% of known criminal homicide suspects in Birmingham were Black/African Americans

(5) Of the 99 criminal homicides (mostly death by firearms) 75 of the victims were Black/African males and 14 were Black/African-American females.

(A) The shooter in the case you mentioned in your OP was a 23- year- old Black female, named Ebony Jemison who was a Birminham resident.

(B) The pregnant woman she shot was a 27- year- old Black/African-American Birmingham resident named Marshae Jones.




Jones is known to have initiated and then pressed a physical altercation between herself and Jemison regarding the paternity (that doesn't surprise me) of the child that she was carrying. IMO, that was extraordinary foolish, stupid and irresponsible behaviour for a woman who was 5 months pregnant to have been engaging herself in.




Given this physical altercation took place between two females (i.e; it was what we call a "cat fight" where I come from) and ,generally speaking, young females lack the muscular strength (both Jones and Jemison were, BTW, only slightly built) to do any kind of serious or potentially lethal harm with their fists or limbs (legs) in a fight, it was improbable that Jone's foetus would have been severely harmed or killed during the altercation. Sure, it was POSSIBLE, but , IMO, rather unlikely, given, as I say both of these young women did not have large , muscular physiques. But, one would expect that Jemison must have known for sure that firing a bullet from a handgun into Jone's abdomen would carry an extremely high probability of killing Jone's foetus. That is, that she used lethal force to defend herself in a situation ( a "cat-fight" between herself and Jones) that was very unlikely to taken her life or caused grievous bodily harm of any kind - a few scratches, cuts, bruises, maybe a sprain at most a broken bone or two etc; is probably all she would have received. (NB: A reasonably fit and strong young male can kill with one well-connected punch - women cannot do that. More generally, serious physical altercations between young/fit men can result to very substantial harms to both of the combatants. This is very rarely the case with women who are brawling with each other - they do a lot of shrieking and squealing, pulling each other's hair, scratching with their fingernails, and "bitch-slapping" but that's about it).



This incident was all-too-common, "black -on- black" gun homicide (the foetus was murdered) in Birmingham a 75% Black majority southern city; i.e; yet another example of one black/African -American shooting another to death with a firearm. "Interestingly", this is NOT a problem with the white population of Birmingham. The whites in the city do not go about blowing each other away with pistols/revolvers/rifles in order to settle disputes they are having.



Well, now. WHY is this the case, Philosopher? I know the reason, and I can back it up with empirical evidence. Let's see if you can work it out old sport? (It's not "rocket science !)



Look forward to hearing your explanation.



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Are you seriously asking why not to judge her for the MURDER of a fetus, simply because she didn't take precautions because of her skin color?

Well, let's take another case to demonstrate why I find your entire question stupid:

There are millions of car-crashes every day. Surely according to your logic, the victims of a car crash - despite driving according to the law - should be jailed for being "so foolish as to drive a car when everybody knows it is dangerous to drive a car".

According to your logic we shouldn't only punish the mad drivers responsible for the accidents. We should be jailing the victims as well, according to your "logic".

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