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This is True Conservatism

Post by philosopher » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:17 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... shae-jones

A pregnant women is jailed for having been shot so the fetus got killed... she didn't fire the gun, someone else committed the crime against her/the fetus. Yet, the woman is jailed.

That's Conservatism for you, right there!

Conservatives are monsters.

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Post by henry quirk » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:39 pm

A somewhat more detailed story...

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2019 ... issed.html

...illustrating that you're wrong, Phil.

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Re: Phil

Post by Dachshund » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:59 am

henry quirk wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:39 pm
A somewhat more detailed story...

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2019 ... issed.html

...illustrating that you're wrong, Phil.


Henry



This shooting incident brought mind some questions I would like to ask you re: Guns in the USA.


Your Second Amendment gives you (a US citizen) the right to possess and bear arms.


Does that mean that if I were a US citizen then I could travel to any one of the 50 states in America, walk into a gun shop and buy myself, say, a 9 mm Glock pistol, then put it in my pocket and legally walk around outside; like buy the gun, put it in my jacket pocket and then walk to the nearest McDonald's Restaurant , go in with my gun in my jacket and have lunch, and not be breaking any law ? I mean, suppose I am a US citizen and I travel to Little Rock, Arkansas or to Phoenix, Arizona or to any other US state capital city. If I went to Arkansas, could I go to a gun shop and buy myself a Glock pistol then put it in my pocket and walk out onto the streets of Little Rock legally. I mean, if a cop stopped me up and found I was carry the pistol , I wouldn't be in trouble; or if I was in New York City,say, w I be free to walk around town with a loaded Colt .45 in my trouser pocket wherever I liked without breaking the law?



I'm confused because despite the 2nd Amendment, which to me is worded in a very clear and straightforward way; i.e; ALL Americans DO have the RIGHT to POSSESS and BEAR (carry) firearms, FULL STOP; often when I've been watching American TV shows( like "COPS" :oops: ), I see situations where a guy is carrying a hand gun, or has a revolver in his car, and gets booked by a state cop for breaking the law. I know American TV dramas are not the most reliable sources of information, but they do tend to reflect reality in the case of little things, like cops charging some guy for illegally having a handgun in his car or jacket. I see this and I think : "Doesn't the guy have a Second Amendment right to possess/bear his gun" ? :?:




Finally - (and sorry to bug you with all this, BTW, Henry, but you're the only clued-up American guy I know) - when it comes to bigger, more powerful firearms, like automatic/ semi-automatic rifles and sub-machine guns, weapons like: M-16 assault rifles; Uzis; AK-47s; Ruger 10/22 automatics, etc; is it true that you (i.e; a US citizen) are legally allowed to buy and own gear like this in the States? For example, in the state where you live, could you legally purchase something like, say, a Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle and ammo for it, and then take it home to use for defending you and your family? I mean could you just walk into a shop and buy an AK-47, in the same way you would buy a new computer or an iPhone or a bottle of Whiskey or a loaf of bread; that is, just as a simple, straightforward, no-questions-asked transaction ?




NB: Don't worry, I not a gun nut who wants to go on a shooting spree or anything like that, I'm just interested in how the 2nd Amendment works at street-level in America, and that's mainly because I'm interested in the political debate about the 2nd Amendment in your country. I know that the Democrats would repeal the 2nd Amendment, if ever they won office, though it seems to me that most (?) Americans are very protective of their 2nd Amendment rights. I find this curious, because most Americans I've met (I've only ever met white/European Americans BTW) are generally very polite, cheerful and friendly (talkative!) people and I wonder to myself why it is that the issue of owning guns - which, to me, are symbols of aggression, hate and deadly violence - is so very important to them ? I remember asking an American girl, a friend of my sister, who was holidaying in Australia if she had a gun at home in America - it was intended as a tease, because this girl was very demure and cute - totally sweet and "UN-gunlike". When she said yes, she had a gun (a pistol, it turned out) at home that she kept in her bedroom, it completely took me by surprise. I blurted out: "WHY, why would YOU have a gun !" She said, "Because the bad guys all have them and there's lots of bad guys in Chicago." That shut me up fast.




I live in Australia for half of each year and in England with my wife for the other half and man, let me tell you, if I (an average Joe) was caught by the police carrying or storing a pistol/revolver or rifle of ANY kind in Australia, I would be in BIG - and I do mean BIG - trouble. You could end up in prison very easily. The only way you can get a gun licence in OZ, is if you're a farmer who lives on the land and needs a firearm for culling pests or whatever, or, if your are in a registered gun club (which is just a place you go to practice target shooting as a sport). Basically you have to have some genuine police-approved, occupation/special reason for needing to own/possess/bear a firearm in Australia. Moreover, to get a licence, the amount of police department "red-tape" and personal history checks you have to go through is unbelievable. As for stuff like high-powered, semi-automatic or automatic/assault weapons you can just forget it - they're totally banned outright. England is the same, the average Englishman is not permitted to own any kind of firearm unless he has some legitimate, special reason for needing to own and use one.



Anyway, you have time to field some of my queries (above) about the 2nd Amendment, I'd be very grateful.





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Post by henry quirk » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:32 am

It's late for me, so I'll answer more fully tomorrow.

Till then, take a gander at this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law ... s_by_state

...I can't vouch for the accuracy, though.

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Post by henry quirk » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:48 pm

Did you access the link?

I'm thinkin' most of what you wanna know can be found there.

In my state: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Louisiana

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by Kayla » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:55 pm

the prosecutors claim that the woman was attacked in self defense - they claim that the pregnant woman initiated deadly force

this may or may not be true

however - no one is saying that if a woman is attacked and that results in a miscarriage she is criminally liable

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Re: This is True Conservatism

Post by HexHammer » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:32 pm

Only in USA! Compared to how advanced USA is, it's actually the least just country on earth! The system are riddled with moronic laws and pitfalls!

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Post by henry quirk » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:27 am

"The system are riddled with moronic laws and pitfalls!"

You ain't wrong.

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Re: Phil

Post by Age » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:45 am

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:59 am

Your Second Amendment gives you (a US citizen) the right to possess and bear arms.

I'm confused because despite the 2nd Amendment, which to me is worded in a very clear and straightforward way; i.e; ALL Americans DO have the RIGHT to POSSESS and BEAR (carry) firearms, FULL STOP;
Now I am confused. You state that the second amendment, to you, is worded in a very clear and straightforward way, which you attempt to copy and repeat, but in doing so change it so it fits in with your own beliefs and assumptions.

How can it be worded in a very clear and straightforward way, yet you yourself change them into your own words, which are different and say some thing else?

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