What ideal and work can *save the world*?

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Tue May 28, 2019 8:18 am

HexHammer wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:12 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 7:48 am
You lost all credibility when you showed yourself to be a religious nut job who believes any conspiracy theory as long as it's batshit-insane enough. The two countries that are constantly sucking each others' penis are the US and England. You don't have much to say about that.
Ok, let me then show you stubbon ignorant...

Trump at the wailing wall, why would any leader waste time standing there, especially the most powerful leader in the world?!?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCse3fr1Qzc

Now go read politics, you lost any credibility with your glaring ignorance!!!
Why do you keep asking 'why?' How would I know? Where else has Trump been?

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by HexHammer » Tue May 28, 2019 9:13 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:18 am
Why do you keep asking 'why?' How would I know? Where else has Trump been?
If you actually had a high IQ you would figure it out, but you don't! You confuse yourself with being intelligent which you are not, you only have some fancy rhetorics and high vocabulary, that's all there is to you.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Tue May 28, 2019 10:18 am

HexHammer wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:13 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:18 am
Why do you keep asking 'why?' How would I know? Where else has Trump been?
If you actually had a high IQ you would figure it out, but you don't! You confuse yourself with being intelligent which you are not, you only have some fancy rhetorics and high vocabulary, that's all there is to you.
That's your claim, not mine. I can't help it if you think I'm exceptionally intelligent :mrgreen:

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Age » Tue May 28, 2019 12:20 pm

Walker wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 7:35 am
Age wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 7:12 am
Walker wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:32 pm

Yes, failed coup-conspirators should be prosecuted, however, how close to the source should the lance drain and can the layers of obfuscation even be pierced?

Can these predictions come true, or given the reality-bending properties of propaganda as evidenced by the media’s shocked surprise at Trump’s election, are the implications from the link just a wish for justice in a fair world that may exist only in ethical theory.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... lical.html
Your reply does not have much at all to do with what I was saying.
Likely because indulging bogus limitations encourages perseverance deficiency syndrome (PDS).
Now you are getting even further away from what I was saying.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by HexHammer » Tue May 28, 2019 8:14 pm

Age wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 12:20 pm
Now you are getting even further away from what I was saying.
I'm actually on point, the root cause are your lack of knowledge and low IQ!

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Ansiktsburk » Wed May 29, 2019 8:29 am

Alizia wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 3:48 pm
(I say 'save the world' because it is a common tun of phrase and I needed something definite for the title! But I mean also *what will help our societies to progress and be better*).

Gábor Vona (founder of the Jobbik party of Hungary), from a forward to the book Handbook for Right-Wing Youth by Julius Evola.

From this, it follows that total misunderstanding and serious short-sightedness has become the most common approach to politics. This stagnation of politics unavoidably causes people to drift into the muddy waters of intellectual aberration and ideological infection. Those who conduct their political thinking and activities without any real intellectual base and centre will-despite their best efforts-become nothing more than the playthings of powers unknown and imperceptible to them. Their situation is as hopeless as trying to distinguish colors with one’s eyes covered. And it provides even more evidence regarding the truth about our modern age that such a completely unworthy political role is not repulsive to the majority of the people who are involved in it. On the contrary, they find the same joy in it that they do in extreme sports. They don’t suffer in the intellectual desert, but instead recreate it over and over again, making it go deeper and deeper. Its utter futility is clear to see by anyone who experiences the level of today’s political debates, follows the futile and empty sessions of parliament, or looks into the eyes of some politicians. Public life is nothing more than a low-level squabble between those who are inspired by nothing more than economic and social interests, which they hope will grant them the good graces of a society which has been degraded to nothing more than social and economic interests.

A few of my own opinions (and please note that I define myself as Christian & 'Traditionalist" and therefore as anti-modern). But I am not closed to other forms of traditionalist thinking or metaphysics:

It is nearly impossible, anywhere in the MSM and in most of the conversations that occur about politics and current events, to come across people who are discussing the real issues. Simply because they are not seen and they are not defined. But the Clown Show of Clown World is seen on all channels (speaking actually and metaphorically). Naturally, saying this implies that 'real issues' exist and can be defined.

This interests me: “Those who conduct their political thinking and activities without any real intellectual base and centre will-despite their best efforts — become nothing more than the playthings of powers unknown and imperceptible to them.”

The Political Theatre, the Spectacle, deals strictly in ‘aberration’ and ‘ideological infection’ and is both the symptom and the cause of the same. And since all things are related, and the downward spiral into chaos is the defining *motion* of today, it is again ‘aberration’ that is seen: it is present everywhere and is an ‘infection’. The body politic is in a mad, over-excited state. And the cultural *nourishment* is absurdiste. You can’t read and study on an empty stomach, but one lives in the illusion that one’s stomach is actually *full*!

If such is going on in the larger body politic, one must ask questions about what is happening within the body and soul of the individual. I start from the premise that what we are — our soul, our spirit — become “playthings of powers unknown and imperceptible” to us. This alludes to the ‘metaphysical’ element, something dark and captivating. I know that this notion is not popular today, and is opposed. One requires a specific definition of the *demonic* in order to be able to understand what goes on in our present, and why. I suggest it corresponds to and consists in miring in extreme materialism — the essential message that comes from nearly all channels of communication — and as well to the insidious excitement of pornography: the most manifest form of material enthrallment. Everywhere one turns one is invited to be seduced and tricked. And then one defends what corrupts one as *freedom*.

Who in America and Europe today (or elsewhere) is dealing in IDEAS, of the sort that a true Right-tending, a Right founded-political movement can be defined? WHO? But if one is not oriented to the Right, who then on the Left is defining ideas & values?

It stands to reason that the work is essentially spiritual, and that intellectual work is included in it. It has to do with *recovery of self* from out of a mire of chaos and confusing signals: and this is largely where *we* find ourselves today.

Our societies are not ‘shining city on a hill’ [Matthew 5:14: “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden”] but a perverse and perverting monstrosity. This is not to say that individual persons cannot, or will not, define and hold to exalted values, it is to suggest looking more closely at what is *really happening* around us, and examining the causes that have produced the present, and defining a realistic path toward what is higher and nobler.

It is a total illusion to imagine this will come about on its own and that the *good* will float down and install itself in a person, in people, in culture, and in society. No, just as it is within the individual, it will involve a battle against powerful forces with infinite capacity to lie and deceive, and it is lies and deceptions that (best) define Our Present.
That box and the thread title does not really say the same thing, does it? OK the hungarian guy is right wing but what he says goes for everyone I would say. Get educated. Read much, look at many Youtube lectures and instructive videos. Read wikipedia, original works and what not.

Four years ago I decided to read some influential books from "Right to left" of political philosophy, From Ayn Rand to Howard Zinn. Anarchy State and Utopia by Nozick, A Theory of Justice by Rawls. A project that has been made permanent. I feel much more in place to discuss political matters now. And find great pleasure when guys like Jordan Peterson, Pankaj Mishra or Steven Pinker comes out with new books.

If you look for Ideas I think you should look for theorys. Liberalism, Anarchism, Conservatism, Socialism. There you will find all the ideas. And you have a bunch of them, from the left and from the right.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Age » Thu May 30, 2019 12:39 am

HexHammer wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:14 pm
Age wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 12:20 pm
Now you are getting even further away from what I was saying.
I'm actually on point, the root cause are your lack of knowledge and low IQ!
Do you remember that it was i that wrote something, to which you replied to?

If yes, then do you also recall that it was i that said your reply does not have much at all to do with what I was saying?

If yes, then as your next reply was getting even further away from what I was SAYING, then how exactly are you 'on point'?

If what I was SAYING was the original POINT and you are getting further away from that POINT, then how could you possibly be ON POINT?

What do you see is the actual 'point'?

Also, "my lack of knowledge" AND "my low iq" is the 'root cause' of what exactly?

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by HexHammer » Thu May 30, 2019 4:02 am

Age wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 12:39 am
HexHammer wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:14 pm
Age wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 12:20 pm
Now you are getting even further away from what I was saying.
I'm actually on point, the root cause are your lack of knowledge and low IQ!
Do you remember that it was i that wrote something, to which you replied to?

If yes, then do you also recall that it was i that said your reply does not have much at all to do with what I was saying?

If yes, then as your next reply was getting even further away from what I was SAYING, then how exactly are you 'on point'?

If what I was SAYING was the original POINT and you are getting further away from that POINT, then how could you possibly be ON POINT?

What do you see is the actual 'point'?

Also, "my lack of knowledge" AND "my low iq" is the 'root cause' of what exactly?
I've forgotten, but I'm sure my answer also can be applied to you.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by -1- » Fri May 31, 2019 5:49 pm

What ideal and work can *save the world*?
Answer: the abolishment of the third law of thermodynamics. You can do it if you try. Remember, nothing is impossible.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:37 am

What ideal and work can *save the world*?

The ideal - reforestation.
The work - tree planting.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Belinda » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:48 am

The Green Party

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