Why is nazism popular today?

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Dachshund » Wed May 22, 2019 12:30 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:35 pm

Of course it was bound to fail in its extreme, raw form--human nature being what it is--but much of the basic premise has evolved and been adopted by modern societies everywhere to a greater or lesser degree.
I have to say , I guess you're right again, Veggie, Marxism was an astounding and brilliant idea !

I mean, yeah, of course it was bound to fail in its original textbook form which explains why Stalinism was such a terrible "balls up", but, hey, it was worth murdering 60,000,000 people so that Marxism could evolve, right?

And it DID evolve. Take Mao Zedong's new, improved version of Marxist theory in the "Swingin' 60's (!) ; Red China was a perfect, model society of peace, equality and justice, Veggie :shock: , and he only had to murder 100,000,000 it make it like that. At the same time, Mao was teaching his little buddy, Ho Chi Minh ,how to run a nice,civil communist society. And let's not forget that tropical paradise in the sun, Cuba, run by the charming, late Fidel Castro. Let's not forget Cold War, either, shall we, Nikita Krushchev was a real sweetheart.Just look how much fun the world had in October, 1962 - the Cuban Missile Crisis was a real hoot, Veggie.!I agree

You know Veggie I still can't work out why the world threw a such a giant party on 4th December 1989, when the Berlin wall fell. Just don't understand why every man and his dog on the planet were so deliriously happy when they knew that the Soviet Union was "beached as, Bro'"

The basic premise of Marxism is that the State "must own the means of production" and your dead right, Vegetable, that this economic principle has been adopted more or less by all of the world's modern societies. Some good examples are the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, the nations of Western Europe. You're dead right again, Veggie. I guess I just shouldn't argue with person like who has such a tremendous critical intelligence !

YOU STUPID TWONK


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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed May 22, 2019 1:13 am

Dachshund wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 12:30 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:35 pm

Of course it was bound to fail in its extreme, raw form--human nature being what it is--but much of the basic premise has evolved and been adopted by modern societies everywhere to a greater or lesser degree.
I have to say , I guess you're right again, Veggie, Marxism was an astounding and brilliant idea !

I mean yeah, of course it was bound to fail in its original textbook form which explains why Stalinism was such a terrible "balls up", but, hey, it was worth murdering 60,000,000 people so that Marxism could evolve, right?

And it DID evolve. Take Mao Zedong's new, improved version of Marxist theory in the "Swingin' 60's (!) ; Red China was a perfect, model society of peace, equality and justice, Veggie :shock: , and he only had to murder 100,000,000 it make it like that. At the same time, Mao was teaching his liitle buddy, Ho Chi Minh ,how to run a nice,civil communist society. And let's not forget that tropical paradise in the sun, Cuba, run by the charming, late Fidel Castro. Let's not forget Cold War, either, shall we, Nikita Krushchev was a real sweetheart.Just look how much fun the world had in October, 1962 - the Cuban Missile Crisis was a real hoot, Veggie.!I agree

You know Veggie I still can't work out why the world threw a such a giant party on 4th December 1989, when the Berlin wall fell. Just don't understand why every man and his go on the planet were so deliriously happy when they knew that the Soviet Union was "beached as, Bro'"

The basic premise of Marxism is that the State "must own the means of production" and your dead right, Vegetable, that this economic principle has been adopted more or less by all of the world's modern societies. Some good examples are the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, the nations of Western Europe. You're dead right again, Veggie. I guess I just shouldn't argue with person like who has such a tremendous critical intelligence !

YOU STUPID TWONK


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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Belinda » Wed May 22, 2019 8:33 am

Dachshund's notion of socialism is that it's it's the same as Stalinism, or communism. Dachshund is as ignorant as any religious fundamentalist of relativity.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed May 22, 2019 9:08 am

Dachshund wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 12:30 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:35 pm

Of course it was bound to fail in its extreme, raw form--human nature being what it is--but much of the basic premise has evolved and been adopted by modern societies everywhere to a greater or lesser degree.
I have to say , I guess you're right again, Veggie, Marxism was an astounding and brilliant idea !

I mean, yeah, of course it was bound to fail in its original textbook form which explains why Stalinism was such a terrible "balls up", but, hey, it was worth murdering 60,000,000 people so that Marxism could evolve, right?

And it DID evolve. Take Mao Zedong's new, improved version of Marxist theory in the "Swingin' 60's (!) ; Red China was a perfect, model society of peace, equality and justice, Veggie :shock: , and he only had to murder 100,000,000 it make it like that. At the same time, Mao was teaching his little buddy, Ho Chi Minh ,how to run a nice,civil communist society. And let's not forget that tropical paradise in the sun, Cuba, run by the charming, late Fidel Castro. Let's not forget Cold War, either, shall we, Nikita Krushchev was a real sweetheart.Just look how much fun the world had in October, 1962 - the Cuban Missile Crisis was a real hoot, Veggie.!I agree

You know Veggie I still can't work out why the world threw a such a giant party on 4th December 1989, when the Berlin wall fell. Just don't understand why every man and his dog on the planet were so deliriously happy when they knew that the Soviet Union was "beached as, Bro'"

The basic premise of Marxism is that the State "must own the means of production" and your dead right, Vegetable, that this economic principle has been adopted more or less by all of the world's modern societies. Some good examples are the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, the nations of Western Europe. You're dead right again, Veggie. I guess I just shouldn't argue with person like who has such a tremendous critical intelligence !

YOU STUPID TWONK


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Do you even know what caused the Cuban missile crisis? You are such a dipshit know nothing waste of resources.

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Re: Pathetic

Post by Greta » Wed May 22, 2019 10:56 am

Dachshund wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 11:24 pm
I'll leave you take the issue of female suffrage up with Aristotle, Pericles, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Kant - they all argued that it would be suicidal.
The old philosophers were famously misogynist. Then again, they were more patriarchal times.

If you wish to represent cultural mores as universals, be my guest. You are clearly bonkers so it hardly matters what nonsense you sprout.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Dachshund » Wed May 22, 2019 1:50 pm

Belinda wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:33 am
Dachshund's notion of socialism is that it's it's the same as Stalinism, or communism. Dachshund is as ignorant as any religious fundamentalist of relativity.
(1) Marx drew a very clear distinction in his writing between "socialism" and "communism" in his political theory (Read Das Kapital)

(2) Socialism refers primarily to that economic doctrine wherein the state has ownership the means of production. Whenever, since 1848, that has been attempted the results have been (in most cases) genocidal. It is also mixed up with a crazy (eschatologial-type) faith, in the validity of "progressivist" political/philosophical theses that argue the case for social/moral egalitarianism. This is another reason socialism has ALWAYS, IN EVERY CASE failed.

The problem, you see, for socialists is that human beings are NOT born equal ( i.e; the same, identical) in ANY RESPECT. The nature of human BEING and human society is that it ranked hierarchically along a potentially infinite number of vertical axes (moral, aesthetic, physical, spiritual, intellectual, psychologically, physiological, etc.) from bad/incompetent/ hopeless at the bottom to good/competent/ life-affirming at the top.The good news, Belinda, is that If you have the gumption to "pull your finger out of your bottom", so to speak, its possible to move up the value hierarchy, or hierarchies, of your choice ! (human (value) hierarchies of competence are also organic, BTW). If, however, you are afflicted with some severe psychiatric disorder (like Greta), or, technically/legally "sane", but still insist on investing your energies into being a socialist, you will remain a loser in life.

And life is short, Belinda ! So do yourself a favour and "extract the digit", dear !!



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Re: Re:

Post by Kayla » Wed May 22, 2019 4:36 pm

Walker wrote:
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In the US, it's because generations have been dumbed down by Leftist conditioning in government schools.
you are not from the US are you?

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Post by Kayla » Wed May 22, 2019 4:37 pm

Kayla wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 4:36 pm
Walker wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:12 am
In the US, it's because generations have been dumbed down by Leftist conditioning in government schools.
obviously you are not from the US

but from where? I am not aware of any country where the stereotype of Americans includes "subjected to leftist education in schools"

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Belinda » Wed May 22, 2019 4:42 pm

Dachshund wrote:
The problem, you see, for socialists is that human beings are NOT born equal
Despite being born with lowly ascribed status some men achieve more than men who are born with high ascribed status.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Justintruth » Wed May 22, 2019 6:20 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 1:50 pm
...= socialism has ALWAYS, IN EVERY CASE failed.
Where did you get that idea? It worked very well in Sweden. Remember that market economies can co-exist with governments owning productive capital.

Take a look at Intelsat in the USA. It's not even true that the USA government has not operated capital.

And if you look at things like the park system its still ongoing.

Just don't get where you got that capitalized IN EVERY CASE...

Right now a person on the earth dies of hunger every second. So no matter what the system is it is failing miserably. It takes a little thinking about what its like to be one of those people going through the long process of organs shutting down to comprehend the scale of the disaster. The biggest problem is nationalism. A continuum exists between socialism and capitalism in the economy. The problem is how to restrain power. Fracturing the upper levels is what is needed. If you do go socialist you have to be very careful that the government be divided. It is not so much socialism that causes the problem it is concentration of power. Socialism is usually practiced by transferring control of businesses over to the same executive branch of the existing government concentrating power. There is no reason we can't create branches to administer industries. You have to have extreme controls in to go global. If you concentrate power in the hands a a small class of private executives its the same as concentrating it in the hands of a small class of government beurocrats.

The way to go is to be able to utilize both capitalism and socialism against the controllers of capital (the managers, not the owners who really control very little). If they are doing well you leave them alone. If not you "privatize" or "nationalize" their industry and let some other group run things.

Natural resources should be held communally and all people born should receive their share. Those shares should not be transferable unless they die, or unless their shares are diluted by the birth rate.

And as for people being born equal, no their talents are not equal because their brains aren't but that is not what is meant by the "We hold these truths to be self evident...". It is that their lives are of equal value. Just because a person is ugly, dumb, untalented does not mean that their lives are should not be given the same value as someone who is handsome, smart, talented etc.

We should govern equally for all. A smart, handsome rich newborn is as helpless as a dumb, ugly, poor one. Place them on a sidewalk and let no one help them and you will see how well they do.

The world is psychologically deranged and most of that, surprisingly, is in the first world. They are the ones who are causing and have caused most of the suffering.

All of this is probably moot. The technical means of oppression are undergoing a tremendous surge and soon most of the people on the earth will be expendable. The wall... the gated community is where it will start... then those on the other side of the wall will be starved off and that will be excused by something like "look they cannot even feed themselves, they are so stupid!"

Dark times commin for sure....

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Kayla » Wed May 22, 2019 7:00 pm

Justintruth wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 6:20 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 1:50 pm
...= socialism has ALWAYS, IN EVERY CASE failed.
Where did you get that idea? It worked very well in Sweden. Remember that market economies can co-exist with governments owning productive capital.
i had a math teacher in high school who was from Russia

he did not limit himself to math - in particular he wanted to make sure that we understood the difference between socialism and social democracy

socialism was the political / economic system of the USSR and its friends - in it, the state owned means of production - in theory they were owned by
"the people"

in a social democracy, capitalism coexists with redistribution of wealth

even the usa is somewhat social democratic in this sense - and Sweden a lot more so

so socialism has always failed

social democracy, on the other hand, produced some very good results e.g. Sweden, Canada

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Dachshund » Wed May 22, 2019 9:27 pm

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Wed May 22, 2019 9:08 am


Do you even know what caused the Cuban missile crisis? You are such a dipshit know nothing waste of resources.
Yeah, I do Vegetable,

Nikita Khrushchev, who was a pig - ignorant, Russian peasant and lying, Kommunist Kunt (bit like ewe in a way) said to his buddy, Fidel Castro, in 1962, who was a Kuban, Komminist Kunt, "Fidel, I'm sending you some Soviet nuclear missiles on a ship and when they arrive at Kuba, I want you set set them up so that they're pointed at America and ready to be fired if we give the word to let them go, bro."

The Soviet missiles on Kuba were supposed to be a secret, but the Americans didn't trust the Soviets and they used air surveillance to sus out what was actually going on.

JFK was really pissed off when he saw aerial photo evidence of the Soviet missiles prepped for launch at sites on Kuba because Kuba was only about 90 miles from the US coast (Florida) and if the Soviets launched the Kuban ICBM missiles that Kastro had set up for them, it could mean that lots of major cities in America would be fucked (completely).

So, to cut a long story short, there was a Mexican stand-off at sea in October 1962, afterJFK said to Khrushchev, "We know you've got nukes on Kuba aimed at us, you lying piece of shit, and you'd better get those nukes off Kuba asap, and don't fuck with me, coz if you don't, I'll glassify the whole USSR." Khruschev backed down and removed the Russian ICBMs from Kuba, and that's the end of the storey ,Veggie.



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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Arising_uk » Wed May 22, 2019 10:31 pm

Dachshund wrote:All of this was predicted by the German philosopher of history, Oswald Spengler, in his masterpiece, "The Decline of the West", written at end of the Great War (1914-1918). ...
:lol: As if you've read it!
Spengler accurately predicted that "socialism, feminism, a declining (white) birthrate and mass 3rd world immigration" would ultimately destroy the West. ...
And his Prussian Socialism was what then?
Once again, Spengler wrote a theory of History about Culture and Civilization as being an organic thing, hence all would decline in the end and nothing will stop this process. He did think that Socialism would the correct end result but not Marx' version as he thought that as just the masses Capitalism.
So far Spengler has been SPOT ON in his prognostications. ...
Not if you mean your nonsense he wasn't.
Insofar as the flagship of Western civilization is the United States of America, he was absolutely correct. ...
He would have thought the US nowhere near his Prussian Socialism let alone any kind of flagship and would have abhorred the idea of the right to pursue individual happiness.
The US drank its own Kool Aide in 1965 when Democrat President LBJ signed the fatal "Naturalisation and Immigration Act" amidst the delirium of the Left's Civil Rights Movement. Four years later, Richard Nixon, one of the greatest ever Conservative US Presidents had the same mob of leftist rat-bags/scum marching in the streets across the US, chanting "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, Ho Chi Ming is going to win", lofting North Vietnamese Communist flags, etc; (despicable morons one and all), at the height of the war in Vietnam in 1969; demanding an immediate withdrawal of all US troops from Indochina. But Nixon, a Republican, was a far stronger (morally), brighter and wiser man than the weak LBJ. At the height of the "New-Left", Hippy, anti-war demonstrations, he put himself on national television and appealed for the support of "The Great Silent Majority" (the quiet, average American Joe and his family) and got it - BIG TIME. (By 1972 Nixon had, in fact, officially WON the war in Vietnam, for America, but that's another story).
:lol: Do Americans still think they won the war in Vietnam?
America is now walking dead. During the phase of Western decline we are witnessing at present, Spengler predicted the rise of "Caesarism", that is, of a series of populist, authoritarian, political hard -men ( like the most powerful of ancient, Roman Caesars, Julius Caesar, for example) who would emerge to control the chaos of social disintegration. Trump is a Spenglerian "Caesar." But Trump cannot save America in eight years. ...
He didn't think these 'Caesars' would save anything, just that they'd be the front men for Capital in a last gasp to avoid Prussian Socialism.
'Because as it is rightly said "demographics IS destiny" and by 2042 white Europeans will officially have become a minority in their own country. It's hard to say what will happen around the middle of this century in the US. It is possible, say, there will be a second American civil war (but I doubt that). Personally I think that as the white European proportion of the population continues to dwindle and political power is increasingly transferred into the hands of the Blacks and Hispanics and their mixed - race offspring, there will be a large-scale "White Flight" to Europe. In any case, America, by which I mean the once great, white European nation that was leader of the free world will be dead. The Blacks and Hispanics will not, of course, be able to competently manage and maintain whatever white infrastructure there is that has been left to them by the fleeing whites, and given they will very likely have control over a vast arsenal of former US nuclear weapons, things don't look good for the future of human beings on this planet IMO. You must remember that when Spengler wrote " The Decline of the West" in 1918, nuclear weapons had not yet been invented. ...
How funny, as Spengler would have no truck with your racism as he thought a 'Race' was based upon comradeship and shared experiences and as such ethnicity matters not.
And, guess who will have been responsible for this nightmarish "apocalypse - to -come" ? Guess who will have been responsible for the destruction of Western culture/civilisation (the greatest, most objectively superior culture/civilisation this world has ever produced) Well I'll tell you, Greta it was Enlightenment - leftist "know all - know nothings" ; smart arse, socialist/feminist/etc; degenerates like you. Full Stop. ...
But the Enlightenment was white, conservative males? What may well see the end of nation states is the rise of international corporations and it may well be a good thing for the world, just not so good for the fat and lazy white males who have been living off a myth whilst being shafted by their white compatriots.
I am only disappointed that you will die of old age before you have to live with the horrors of the "perfect storm" that your arrogance and stupidity will bring to bear in the near (historically speaking) future.
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Given she lives in New Zealand I think she and any descendents will be doing just fine for a quite a while but don't trust me just look at all the super-rich white males who are buying citizenship there at present.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed May 22, 2019 11:05 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 9:27 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 9:08 am


Do you even know what caused the Cuban missile crisis? You are such a dipshit know nothing waste of resources.
Yeah, I do Vegetable,

Nikita Khrushchev, who was a pig - ignorant, Russian peasant and lying, Kommunist Kunt (bit like ewe in a way) said to his buddy, Fidel Castro, in 1962, who was a Kuban, Komminist Kunt, "Fidel, I'm sending you some Soviet nuclear missiles on a ship and when they arrive at Kuba, I want you set set them up so that they're pointed at America and ready to be fired if we give the word to let them go, bro."

The Soviet missiles on Kuba were supposed to be a secret, but the Americans didn't trust the Soviets and they used air surveillance to sus out what was actually going on.

JFK was really pissed off when he saw aerial photo evidence of the Soviet missiles prepped for launch at sites on Kuba because Kuba was only about 90 miles from the US coast (Florida) and if the Soviets launched the Kuban ICBM missiles that Kastro had set up for them, it could mean that lots of major cities in America would be fucked (completely).

So, to cut a long story short, there was a Mexican stand-off at sea in October 1962, afterJFK said to Khrushchev, "We know you've got nukes on Kuba aimed at us, you lying piece of shit, and you'd better get those nukes off Kuba asap, and don't fuck with me, coz if you don't, I'll glassify the whole USSR." Khruschev backed down and removed the Russian ICBMs from Kuba, and that's the end of the storey ,Veggie.



Aroha xx

Dachshund
You are a joke. Your 'knowledge' of history is pathetic. But then, someone with a brain with the thinking capacity of a peanut who thinks that the truth and historical events are things that change depending on whatever your political persuasion is, is not someone who is ever going to able to reasoned with. If I go into detail about what led up to it, your tediously predictable response will be that I'm a 'commie bastard'.
Let me spell this out to you. My personal politics are irrelevant to an event that happened nearly sixty years ago. Is that too much for your pitifully messed-up little mind to take in?

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