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Post by Dachshund » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:40 am

HexHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:12 pm
There will soon be civil war.
It's hard to tell what will happen in the future. Though if the White Americans want to save themselves and their culture, I agree that something drastic needs to happen very soon. A civil war, I think, could only be won by white America if it was declared and fought in the near future, but I simply don't believe that most white Americans today truly understand what is happening to them, to their culture and to their nation, i.e; they are being, as the press puts it, "replaced", in other words "eliminated/wiped-out." They think that when a City like Detroit becomes , as it has, 90% black and thereafter begins to fall to pieces socially, which it now is (BIG TIME) they can always pack up their bags and flee to a white majority town somewhere else. They don't realise that the time is fast approaching when there will be no where to run to after the place they are living in becomes majority black/mexican/asian enclave. Another problem is that many brain-dead whites will continue to vote Democrat, that is, they are, so to speak, happily holding the muzzle of a pistol to their heads and waiting for the command to fire. One theoretical option for solving the problem would be the mass deportation/repatriation of millions of American blacks Muslims and Hispanics back to their racial homelands. If you think that sounds crazy, I guess you're right in the sense that such a proposition would not be politically realistic in the US today; but, just for interests's sake, here's a little-known fact. Abraham Lincoln became President of the US in 1861, and was Commander-in-Chief of the North's Union Army (led by General U.S. Grant) in its battle with the the Confederacy between 1861 - 1865. Schoolchildren in the US today are taught that Lincoln was the "Great Emancipator") the great American hero, who fought the Civil War in order to abolish the immoral practice of slavery in the United States.By around 1863, the tide of war had turned decisively in favour of the Union army, Lincoln was confident his Yankees would defeat the Rebels, he was not overly worried about the outcome of the war, but he was, nonetheless, a very worried and fraught man. What was worrying Lincoln was the realisation that when Grant's armies defeated the South all of America's negro slaves would be freed. That is, free to go anywhere and do anything in white society. Lincoln panicked, he firmly believed that if the black and white races were allowed to mix in an unrestricted manner the consequences would be absolutely disastrous. He eventually came to the conclusion that the only thing that could be done do avoid social chaos, would be to deport all of freed negro slaves at the end of the Civil War to some foreign country that would be willing to accept them. To this end he dispatched a roving ambassador to travel abroad in search of a country where he could dump all of Americas's freed negro slaves. Lincoln, however, was assassinated on April 15 1865 just 5 days after the surrender of the Confederate army's leader General Robert E. Lee, and the challenge of reconstructing the nation was now left to others. Lincoln had been absolutely convinced that black Africans could not successfully integrate into mainstream white American society, had he not been shot just after the Union army won the Civil War, I am sure he would have deported all of America's freed negro slaves from US soil, and America today would be a totally different place.


So, you tell me, was "Honest Abe" one of America's greatest heroes, or just an immoral, racist bastard - another "White Supremacist" no different in principle from men like the KKK's David Duke?


One thing is for certain though and that it that the future looks bleak for white/European Western Americans/America.


White/Western European - descended Americans are destined to become a racial minority in the US, and when they are, they will be a universally reviled and despised minority. Afro-Americans will take out their seething ressentiment for the history of slavery on them, and,more generally, for their failure to have ever succeeded in White American society; likewise the Hispanics. American whites of Western European origin will eventually find themselves in the same predicament as today's Afrikaners in South Africa: robbed, murdered and spat upon in the street, by a ruling class of low - I.Q. monkeys.


Whites in America could also bred out of existence via miscegenation. If that happens the principles that undergird all of our traditonal Western institutions in the US (educational, legal, political) and what were the prevailing traditional Western European cultural/moral values would be progressively corrupted and ultimately destroyed. What was civilised society will degenerate into a "pig sty."


Some advocate the creation of a white Ethnostate in North America. Oregon which is currently 98% white, was suggested as a potential candidate. But how would such a white Ethnostate defend its borders/citizens from a hostile anti-white majority over time?


To be frank, I can't see a way out for America. Miscegenation is the problem, once the genetic material of a white European descended American is mixed with that of the coloured races in the US at present that's it. End of Story. "All Over Red Rover". Western culture can only continue to survive and to flourish when it is promoted and advanced by the blood that first created it - the blood that carries its essential soul. To explain what I mean the soul or spirit of Western cultures expresses itself in a striving for infinity, in a striving to realise boundless achievements. An example of this was the Apollo moonshot in 1969, this was Western man daring to reach for a goal in the heavens - to land a spacecraft on the moon. It was not easy to do, many obstacles had to be overcome, the whole program was a risk, it demanded great courage of the the astronauts. But when the world heard the "The Eagle has landed" every heart on Earth soared. In the 9th century the soul or spirit of white Western culture was exemplified in the Vikings. They dared to reach for the boundless. Although they faced great risks, and many limitations, they were determined to overcome them - whatever the cost - and thus they built longboats for themselves and set sail across tremendous expanses of ocean in search of fame and fortune and new land. A Viking longboat is just a 9th century version of Apollo 11, they are both artifacts of the purely, white Western European culture; and the purpose of that culture is to be forever pushing the limits, to be forever striving as a person (and as a nation) for the greater, the better, the more noble, the more glorious, the more righteous, the more beautiful accomplishment. To do this is to AFFIRM LIFE; and that, in a nutshell is what sets the white European man and his culture apart from all others: the will to a power that affirms life. The will to "go for it"; to dare and push yourself to the very edge of your capabilities in the pursuit of what is extraordinary, inspirational...breathtaking.


I agree with whoever it was on this thread who said that Western Civilisation is doomed. Oswald Spengler, the famous German philosopher of history made the same prediction. All civilisations, he believed were organic entities and each had its own life cycle: Spring, Summer Autumn and Winter. In 1918 he prophesied that Western civilisation would enter its "Winter", that is, its phase of decline by around 2000. He said that the decline of the West would be largely caused by socialism but also by allied derivative social movements like feminism. Seems to me not enough people took Spengler seriously. After all it was the Legislation that will destroy America, namely, The Immigration and Nationality Act" signed into law by Democrat President Lyndon John was a product of the times. During the 1960's in America an intensely anti-conservative "hippy" counterculture steadily grew in strength. Johnson's "Immigration and Nationality Act" was passed at the height of the Civil Rights movement - a protest movement which was, the main, driven by a motley collection of hippies (most of whom spent their days high on the psychedelic drug LSD - 25) and other extreme anti-conservative activists. They were angry and disaffected in 1965 because they has still not recovered from the shock of JFK's assassination in 1963, and, in the period leading up the the signing of the 1965 Immigration Bill, Lyndon Johnson was harassed daily by mobs of rowdy civil rights activists. My point is, that it is clear the signing of the "Immigration and Nationality Act" of 1965 was strongly motivated by a desire on Johnson's part, to be seen to be acting to eliminate racial discrimination. Ironically, before the Act was signed into law prominent Democrats (socialists) like Teddy Kennedy and Robert Kennedy promised that the Bill would not result in the US being inundated by immigrants; that the demographic status quo in the US would not be affected and so on. WE now know that they were wrong and this piece of legislation has absolutely devastated the US, and will, in the not to distant future,( historically speaking), completely destroy America as a white Western nation.



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Re: HOW MASS IMMIGRATION WILL DESTROY THE WEST

Post by HexHammer » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:58 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:40 am
Yadda yadda, bla bla ...bla!!
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Re: HOW MASS IMMIGRATION WILL DESTROY THE WEST

Post by Gary Childress » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:45 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:40 am
HexHammer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:12 pm
There will soon be civil war.
It's hard to tell what will happen in the future. Though if the White Americans want to save themselves and their culture, I agree that something drastic needs to happen very soon. A civil war, I think, could only be won by white America if it was declared and fought in the near future, but I simply don't believe that most white Americans today truly understand what is happening to them, to their culture and to their nation, i.e; they are being, as the press puts it, "replaced", in other words "eliminated/wiped-out." They think that when a City like Detroit becomes , as it has, 90% black and thereafter begins to fall to pieces socially, which it now is (BIG TIME) they can always pack up their bags and flee to a white majority town somewhere else. They don't realise that the time is fast approaching when there will be no where to run to after the place they are living in becomes majority black/mexican/asian enclave. Another problem is that many brain-dead whites will continue to vote Democrat, that is, they are, so to speak, happily holding the muzzle of a pistol to their heads and waiting for the command to fire. One theoretical option for solving the problem would be the mass deportation/repatriation of millions of American blacks Muslims and Hispanics back to their racial homelands. If you think that sounds crazy, I guess you're right in the sense that such a proposition would not be politically realistic in the US today; but, just for interests's sake, here's a little-known fact. Abraham Lincoln became President of the US in 1861, and was Commander-in-Chief of the North's Union Army (led by General U.S. Grant) in its battle with the the Confederacy between 1861 - 1865. Schoolchildren in the US today are taught that Lincoln was the "Great Emancipator") the great American hero, who fought the Civil War in order to abolish the immoral practice of slavery in the United States.By around 1863, the tide of war had turned decisively in favour of the Union army, Lincoln was confident his Yankees would defeat the Rebels, he was not overly worried about the outcome of the war, but he was, nonetheless, a very worried and fraught man. What was worrying Lincoln was the realisation that when Grant's armies defeated the South all of America's negro slaves would be freed. That is, free to go anywhere and do anything in white society. Lincoln panicked, he firmly believed that if the black and white races were allowed to mix in an unrestricted manner the consequences would be absolutely disastrous. He eventually came to the conclusion that the only thing that could be done do avoid social chaos, would be to deport all of freed negro slaves at the end of the Civil War to some foreign country that would be willing to accept them. To this end he dispatched a roving ambassador to travel abroad in search of a country where he could dump all of Americas's freed negro slaves. Lincoln, however, was assassinated on April 15 1865 just 5 days after the surrender of the Confederate army's leader General Robert E. Lee, and the challenge of reconstructing the nation was now left to others. Lincoln had been absolutely convinced that black Africans could not successfully integrate into mainstream white American society, had he not been shot just after the Union army won the Civil War, I am sure he would have deported all of America's freed negro slaves from US soil, and America today would be a totally different place.


So, you tell me, was "Honest Abe" one of America's greatest heroes, or just an immoral, racist bastard - another "White Supremacist" no different in principle from men like the KKK's David Duke?


One thing is for certain though and that it that the future looks bleak for white/European Western Americans/America.


White/Western European - descended Americans are destined to become a racial minority in the US, and when they are, they will be a universally reviled and despised minority. Afro-Americans will take out their seething ressentiment for the history of slavery on them, and,more generally, for their failure to have ever succeeded in White American society; likewise the Hispanics. American whites of Western European origin will eventually find themselves in the same predicament as today's Afrikaners in South Africa: robbed, murdered and spat upon in the street, by a ruling class of low - I.Q. monkeys.


Whites in America could also bred out of existence via miscegenation. If that happens the principles that undergird all of our traditonal Western institutions in the US (educational, legal, political) and what were the prevailing traditional Western European cultural/moral values would be progressively corrupted and ultimately destroyed. What was civilised society will degenerate into a "pig sty."


Some advocate the creation of a white Ethnostate in North America. Oregon which is currently 98% white, was suggested as a potential candidate. But how would such a white Ethnostate defend its borders/citizens from a hostile anti-white majority over time?


To be frank, I can't see a way out for America. Miscegenation is the problem, once the genetic material of a white European descended American is mixed with that of the coloured races in the US at present that's it. End of Story. "All Over Red Rover". Western culture can only continue to survive and to flourish when it is promoted and advanced by the blood that first created it - the blood that carries its essential soul. To explain what I mean the soul or spirit of Western cultures expresses itself in a striving for infinity, in a striving to realise boundless achievements. An example of this was the Apollo moonshot in 1969, this was Western man daring to reach for a goal in the heavens - to land a spacecraft on the moon. It was not easy to do, many obstacles had to be overcome, the whole program was a risk, it demanded great courage of the the astronauts. But when the world heard the "The Eagle has landed" every heart on Earth soared. In the 9th century the soul or spirit of white Western culture was exemplified in the Vikings. They dared to reach for the boundless. Although they faced great risks, and many limitations, they were determined to overcome them - whatever the cost - and thus they built longboats for themselves and set sail across tremendous expanses of ocean in search of fame and fortune and new land. A Viking longboat is just a 9th century version of Apollo 11, they are both artifacts of the purely, white Western European culture; and the purpose of that culture is to be forever pushing the limits, to be forever striving as a person (and as a nation) for the greater, the better, the more noble, the more glorious, the more righteous, the more beautiful accomplishment. To do this is to AFFIRM LIFE; and that, in a nutshell is what sets the white European man and his culture apart from all others: the will to a power that affirms life. The will to "go for it"; to dare and push yourself to the very edge of your capabilities in the pursuit of what is extraordinary, inspirational...breathtaking.


I agree with whoever it was on this thread who said that Western Civilisation is doomed. Oswald Spengler, the famous German philosopher of history made the same prediction. All civilisations, he believed were organic entities and each had its own life cycle: Spring, Summer Autumn and Winter. In 1918 he prophesied that Western civilisation would enter its "Winter", that is, its phase of decline by around 2000. He said that the decline of the West would be largely caused by socialism but also by allied derivative social movements like feminism. Seems to me not enough people took Spengler seriously. After all it was the Legislation that will destroy America, namely, The Immigration and Nationality Act" signed into law by Democrat President Lyndon John was a product of the times. During the 1960's in America an intensely anti-conservative "hippy" counterculture steadily grew in strength. Johnson's "Immigration and Nationality Act" was passed at the height of the Civil Rights movement - a protest movement which was, the main, driven by a motley collection of hippies (most of whom spent their days high on the psychedelic drug LSD - 25) and other extreme anti-conservative activists. They were angry and disaffected in 1965 because they has still not recovered from the shock of JFK's assassination in 1963, and, in the period leading up the the signing of the 1965 Immigration Bill, Lyndon Johnson was harassed daily by mobs of rowdy civil rights activists. My point is, that it is clear the signing of the "Immigration and Nationality Act" of 1965 was strongly motivated by a desire on Johnson's part, to be seen to be acting to eliminate racial discrimination. Ironically, before the Act was signed into law prominent Democrats (socialists) like Teddy Kennedy and Robert Kennedy promised that the Bill would not result in the US being inundated by immigrants; that the demographic status quo in the US would not be affected and so on. WE now know that they were wrong and this piece of legislation has absolutely devastated the US, and will, in the not to distant future,( historically speaking), completely destroy America as a white Western nation.



Regards

Dachshund
Hmm. So what would you have done differently? Or what would you do differently, Dachshund? There was/is no stopping the Civil Rights movement, not without doing enormous and irreparable evil. What should anyone have done other than follow the principles of equality before the law and liberty for all? Those are, after all, sacred and fundamental Western values, are they not?

EDIT: And please do me the favor of answering my reply (something you have a habit of not doing), since I seem to be one of the few who actually did you the kindness of skimming through your long and taxing post.

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Re: HOW MASS IMMIGRATION WILL DESTROY THE WEST

Post by gaffo » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:52 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
gaffo wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:57 am


unlike you, i'm an humanist and though not happy that America will become the next Britain, do not fear it either. Chinese are just as human as i am, though not white (shocking! concept i'm sure for a White Supremist).

world will contine to rotate, life with continue on as before, and yes China will rule the world until the next now unscene empire will inherit the earth.
Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
You don't geddit, Gaffo. I was pointing out that what happened in Britain was bad; Blair's policy of mass-immigration was suicidal, but Britain is still (thank God! thank God!) a strong ,white majority nation. They have learned their lesson and the current government has implement VERY strict clampdowns on immigration policy.
yes i get it (noted your generally accurate knowledge of WW2 -so know you are not ignoramus, just an educated Racist. Unlike some that value shuttingdown when Racists show up. I just assume you lack personal identity and joined the Racist Tribe out of sense of belonging (boost of ego).

and so i well note your posts and reply to them if i deem worth my time.



Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
America on the other hand is "walking dead" in terms of being a genuinely Western country.
yes it is - but due to decay of western values (we elected Trump) within - and that decay is not relavent to democraphics of how many whites/yellows/blacks/mixed make up/nor the changes of those.

America's decay is cultural, not rascal.

but you disagree. fine, just stating my position on the matter.


Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
Whites of European descent will be a demographic minority in the US by 2042.
nope, by 2042 Hispanics will be the Majority in America. Most Hispanics are white - the rest are mixed. very few Hispanics are Black or Amircan Indian.


Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
After that the black, Asian and Hispanic members of the US population will begin to rapidly out-breed the White/Europeans.
no, the Blacks nor Orientals will make up any measurable populations (Blacks will remain at 17 percent, Orientals at 4-5 percent).

yes, per Hispanics, the Hispanics will become American Majority by 2042 - and vast majority of them are white.

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
And ,as they say, "Demography is Destiny",

that is your view, not mine.

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
Gaffo. Do you really think Black Americans or Mexicans or Chinese have any sincere love for Western culture?
if they are 2nd-14th generation, yes i do. i know they love, defend, respect and support my Constitution as much as i do.

for they are Americans - no less nor more than i am.


Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
Do you think they give a flying fuck about the contents of America's Constitution or its Bill of Rights?
yes i do, in equal measure as myself.

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
Documents, that were drafted by 18th WASPS who explicitly argued that America should always remain white; do you think they will make any effort to conserve America's traditional institutions (legal, educational, political etc), culture and social mores (respectful, polite behaviour in public, good manners on display at all times blacks don't understand the concept of civilised behaviour and why it is so vitally important in any society that is worth living in) !!
Yes WASPs wrote my Constitution, no, my Constitution is not about "being white" - it is a Universal Humanist document, not one based on "blood and soil". Blacks affirm civility and humanity and support my Constitution no less than myself.

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
Imagine America (the Western nation) is like the Roman Empire. Do you remember what happened after the fall of the Roman Empire ? Right- a dark age fell across Europe for centuries wherein barbarians and thugs ran riot. That's what will happen in the US, unless something radical is done right now, and to tell you the truth, I can't see it taking place.
yes, i see the decay, and it started with Bush Jr and his illegal war against Iraq, and since the decay has just continued. Rome fell out of the same "self decay" - its got nothing to do with non-whites moving in/etc. its all about cultural decay (and so the whites - since they were even more of a mojority when the decay started than they are now), got nothing to due with Race.

but you are a Racist, and so wasting my time. but you know some history, so not an utter waste of time, so i reply to you.
Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
Regards

Dachshund
that is civil, i return the civility, regards back to you Dach.

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 am
PS (Don't ever write England off, Gaffo, Hitler made that mistake in 1940. England will defend its White Anglo-Saxon cultural heritage with every atom of strength it has. It will fight tooth and claw and to the bitter end before it allows savages to over run "Jerusalem".

It was primarily the traditional Anglo-Saxon/modern era English cultural heritage that the Founding Fathers took with them to create the American Republic in 1776 ( consider the role of the Magna Carta and English Common Law in American law, for instance.

RULE BRITANNIA !!!!
I have (had?) much respect for Britain, for my Nation's culture - Western Enlightenment/etc (respect Magna Charta 1218? - of course (King John was luckier than Charles - yet deserved the latter fate more! - he "got out alive"). Britain fucked the pooch with Brexit though - showed they were no different than the Germans of early 1930s (just idiots with pin-heads, and no inteligence) - and so, I wash my hands of Britian, may she learn the hard way (as Germany did).

not comparing the consequences between, Germany price was infinate, Britains will just be an economic depression (and correction 20 yrs latter - rejoin the EU).

I just equate the thuggish "I'm a victim!" tribal/thuggish mentality of the Germans of 30's with most of the Brits today.

so fuck Britain, they voted for Brexit so good-riddance. do not like Nazi so fuck German of 30's, but Germany/Germans of today are kewl, unlike Brexiters, and fully support the Germans and Germany.

Rule Germania! (or more aptly Rule European Union!).

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Re: HOW MASS IMMIGRATION WILL DESTROY THE WEST

Post by gaffo » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:55 pm

HTF do the quotes/reply system work here? - i'm too dumb to figure it out myself, welcome education for future replies to folks.

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Re: HOW MASS IMMIGRATION WILL DESTROY THE WEST

Post by gaffo » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:03 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:59 am
Dubious wrote:When facing a major European power as advanced as themselves like Germany, that's when they had to plead in both World Wars for the Americans to help them out...or maybe you don't know that history. ...
Well them and 20,000,000 dead Soviets.
25

not noting the 5? more million killed Ukrainians by thier own Stalin over the 10 yrs time prior to ww2.

not noting the 1/5 million of the similar purges, by the same charmer Stalin - and again prior to ww2.

- historical observation - Russian (USSR) defeated the Nazi thugs, not american/uk/etc............let me rephrase, they did beat them and would have - had all the rest of us not fired a shot at Germans.

don't fk with Russia, if you do you will lose.

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Re: HOW MASS IMMIGRATION WILL DESTROY THE WEST

Post by Scott Mayers » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:33 am

@Dachshund,

While I find your effort articulated well in parts, I would like to see you open that thread you promised about Marx on this because I take issue with your assumption that this problem is solely of the left. Marx may have presumed he had some resolution about politics but recognized the folly of history to never be able to resolve any political ideal due to the nature of politics cycling through phases. I don't know how exactly he may have thought Communist ideals would actually work in some fixed way considering his own recognition of the historical cycles. Maybe he did recognize them after he wrote on the cycles. But often an investment in ones initial efforts may be hard to shake off. I'm guessing that Marx too may have opted out of even Communism if he had time to observe the outcomes.

No ideal system works, including Nationalistic ones.

I still DO agree to the concerns about immigration though. I'm from Canada and we, sorry, are the ones who invented the registered trade marked meaning of "Multiculturalism(TM)". The confusion to me is how the makers of this ideal seem to be contradictory in how they both support new people while simultaneously the old, but disrespect what is in between. By this I mean that the ultimate 'Nation' was to the aboriginals here. They have lost in the same way you speak of by immigration from Europe. Yet, we seem to be schizophrenic in that we separately applaud the faults of the European immigration of the past to our Native population AND still favor new immigrants for the opposite justification, that it is okay for us to permit potential invasion of other's. It appears odd because it seems like its trying to have its cake and eat it too.

For Canada, the problem was actually due to the nature of us being accidentally formed by the rejects of the formation of the U.S. (loyalists) from three distinctly defined groups: (1)English Anglican loyalists, (2)French Catholics abandoned by France (loss of grounding), and (3)Aboriginals who aided in fighting to preserve at least a domain for the first two.

The party that opted to create Multicultural ideals here are the combined families of both (1) and (2) who are/were at risk of defending their desire for distinct laws of their own cults as they relate to the powers they also hold as the 'establishment' in power here. They cannot foster a distinct Biculturalism (as was the original intent) because it begs why we should accept two distinct cultures and not all. Why have a system that defines 'official' languages, for instance, of TWO kinds? Logically, one language suffices rationally because the point of a universal communication is to be certain NOT to confuse the meanings of specific laws that apply to all.

Quebec, our French isolated province, was disgusted at the natural devolution of its children towards an integration that made French less and less popular, as well as to the association of its Catholic church. Ontario, the other major province that was the original root of the English Anglicans, also were/are threatened by the West's different mixes of people as the rest of the provinces have grown. Canada was originally ONLY Quebec and Ontario. But now that it includes provinces and territories beyond these that are now realistically different from both of those original founding groups, the party that redrafted our Constitution 1982, did so by entrenching cultural conservation of those original founding cultures. They would have ignored the Natives but the logic of leaving them out as 'founders' would have clearly threatened their success to entrench their own cults. This was a form of buying off the Natives. But it is a kind of trick. It would be like attempting to nullify the largest plurality of the 'ghettos' of society to feign appeasement to their cause. If you partially reward the largest pluralities of the poor, you create its own natural inevitable segregation among the whole class of those being deprived. It would be like sponsoring the stronger gangs of the ghettos rather than to find a resolution for the collective individuals of the poor. It acts to separate the poor such that they are pitted against each other.

This is the ROOT of the Multicultural concept you have in Britain. The idea was similar for Germany, except that the presumed 'true' Germans were their presumed 'natives'.

Relatively recently, the son of the founding father of this idea is now our Prime Minister. He takes an extended but more naively innocent faith of his father's to the process of Multiculturalism. But just prior to him, we had a conservative government. And for my local city of Saskatoon, SK, we had conservatives also at the provincial AND city level. A few years ago, it was these governments, not the 'liberal progressives' who initiated what was called, a 'temporary immigration' set of laws. Their idea was to create a false demand upon the population that increased the power of construction companies and prior owners of housing everywhere. When the influx of immigrants rushed in, though 'temporary', it worked in the favor of these conservatives as owners of the housing and construction industry. The sudden demand on housing caused rents to rise rapidly everywhere as our population seemed to increase permanently.

The idea was sold to 3rd world countries on the idea that these workers, at least temporarily, would need vacation-like jobs. They were excused as those who would work in conditions us 'spoiled' people here were presumed to CHOOSE not to take on. This was crap because the reality was that the jobs here where extant were favored either for prior established economic classes [union jobs would go to families of union parents favorably but discriminate against the poor; Most jobs here require you have a minimal 'kit' for success that is defaulted to favor the middle to upper classes uniquely] or to newcomers through special incentive projects for immigrants.

We have improved on some conditions for the Natives. But this is done so in isolation of any non-Natives out of the means to enhance distinct laws based merely on one's genetic disposition (phenotypes are the excused factor of the cause of discrimination but is still factors due to genes specifically). The actual succeeding population of newcomers are the wealthier ones of those 3rd world places who still tend to segregate voluntarily in those wealthier new communities that were built on that boom. But we NOW have a concentrated formation of a real 'ghetto' now where virtually all of the crime is occurring. They are mostly formed by Aboriginals here but the problems are likely to grow into gangs of other poor groups as well. The segregation occurred by that increase in rents, new right-wing laws that removed any rental rights of the people, and forced all those poor all over to require moving uniquely to a location here that is less willing to impose their ownership right to discriminate.

My point here is to show that any migrant related problems occur in any party ideal. While this may occur in the left-wing 'liberal' ideals, what is misleading is that the problem isn't OF the liberal individuals, but to the GROUPS within the left who are virtual 'Nationalistic right-wing thinkers' who by majority of the groups of Nationalists, they impose contradictory laws that permit favor for specific groups at the expense of individuals. On the right-wing conservative sides, these are defaulted to an arrogant culture of extreme who believe that they HAVE some 'cultural identity' defined as some GROUP in sync with everyone, even of the same genetically related individuals.

To me, you think no different than those you insult because you think you represent something 'pure' about the present whole of what it means to be English or British. The problem is the GROUPS you associate with that are often very religious and imposing on others.

I can thus agree that immigration needs to be taken more seriously. We need to preferentially try to help others repair the places they are from rather than move to paradises regardless of where they appear to exist. But we also have to prevent mono-culturalist arrogance of those right-wingers who would like to dominate by making people dumb and devoted religious nuts. The conservative thinking is to conserve their power by invoking enforced arbitrary religious ideologies of what is and is not 'right' upon the weaker of their society. This is worse in many senses to the immigration issue and why, although I don't like it any better, prefer the more 'egalitarian' beliefs (however wrong) of the left-wing "conservatives" by their selective favor for some groups over others.

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