Evil Right Wing Fascism will eventually win

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philosopher
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Re: Evil Right Wing Fascism will eventually win

Post by philosopher » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:05 pm

Logik wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:52 pm
philosopher wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:48 pm
It is all explained in the link.
https://basicincome.org/basic-income/faq/
No it isn't. There's a lot of fluff. Lots of detail on how often and who will get it.

No clarity on where the money comes from.
Ultimately, as with everything else publicly funded, it is tax money. You work, you pay tax.
In case of Basic Income, you can decide not to work and "drain the treasury", so to speak.
Though, you wouldn't get as much money as if you decide to work and pay taxes. The Basic Income is lower than the income you get from working.
So you still have incentive to work.

The money used for Basic Income is roughly corresponding to the amount of tax money used on various social benefits (unemployment benefits, disability benefits etc.).

Only that this time, you don't have to work to get those money. In many modern welfare states, you have to work in order to get social benefits, like unemployment benefits. You work as cheap labor for the government, in todays welfare benefits. This is what I want replaced with Unconditional Basic Income.

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Re: Evil Right Wing Fascism will eventually win

Post by FlashDangerpants » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:23 pm

philosopher wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:56 pm
What is it with Right Wing Fascism that makes it so much more popular than say left-wing liberalism?
Why did you duck my question? As you have already mentioned yourself...
FlashDangerpants wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:09 pm
If you want to discuss ideologies, you ought to have at least a definition of those ideologies that makes them different from any other idelogy.
So get to it. I want a definition of Right Wing Fascism that makes it different from any other ideology.

Per your own list it needs to adequately contain the following ideologies...
* Trump
* Erdogan
* Orban
* the Tories
* Italy's openly Fascist-parties (I'll let you off with the league unless you are actually calling M5s fascists)
* AFD
* Sweden Democrats

It seems to me a couple of those can't seriously be described as fascist... But they are also much more influential than the others.

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Re: Evil Right Wing Fascism will eventually win

Post by gaffo » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:26 am

philosopher wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:56 pm
Why do evil right wing fascists always win elections - if not now, then in the near future?

* Trump getting voted in office.
* Turkish Erdogan voted by the general turkish population in- and outside of Turkey, to become a dictator.
* Hungary's Orban abolishing several democratic institutions and principles in a EU-country.
* British vote to first leave EU, then re-electing the Tories and win no-confidence vote.
* Italy's openly Fascist-parties with veneration for Mussolini, getting in office.
* AFD-party becoming the largest opposition party in Germany - threatening to topple the current government in the near future.
* Sweden Democrats becoming the largest opposition party in Sweden, threatening tot topple the current government in the near future.

What is it with Right Wing Fascism that makes it so much more popular than say left-wing liberalism?

Or to put it in another saying:

Why do evil people always win in this god-forsaken world?

Remember that Hitler, Mussolini and Franco enjoyed enourmous popularity even after WW2.
Several polls were made in the years 1946-1960 showing that Hitler enjoyed support from 50+ % of the German population.

No wonder why fascism persists even to this day. But I do wonder, why is Fascism so popular?
because most folks are sadly trailer trash rednecks - good in nature, but petty and allow their non-good nature to rule over their good.

result is what we see all over the world ;-/.

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Re: Evil Right Wing Fascism will eventually win

Post by gaffo » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:31 am

philosopher wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:56 pm


Remember that Hitler, Mussolini and Franco enjoyed enourmous popularity even after WW2.
Several polls were made in the years 1946-1960 showing that Hitler enjoyed support from 50+ % of the German population.

No wonder why fascism persists even to this day. But I do wonder, why is Fascism so popular?
I value historical accuracy.

I'm ignorant of Franco - so will not speak about him and his spanish supporters (would love to learn from any folks that know of though).

per Hitler, yes you are right sadly.

per Mussolini, not so. he never had much popular support. why/how he remained in power (I know not - welcome anyone here that knows) - i only post to clarify facts of history, and per that Mussolini never had much popular support.

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Re: Evil Right Wing Fascism will eventually win

Post by artisticsolution » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:33 pm

They may win the battle but they don't necessarily win the war.

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Re: Evil Right Wing Fascism will eventually win

Post by gaffo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:31 am

philosopher wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:56 pm
Why do evil right wing fascists always win elections - if not now, then in the near future?

* Trump getting voted in office.
* Turkish Erdogan voted by the general turkish population in- and outside of Turkey, to become a dictator.
* Hungary's Orban abolishing several democratic institutions and principles in a EU-country.
* British vote to first leave EU, then re-electing the Tories and win no-confidence vote.
* Italy's openly Fascist-parties with veneration for Mussolini, getting in office.
* AFD-party becoming the largest opposition party in Germany - threatening to topple the current government in the near future.
* Sweden Democrats becoming the largest opposition party in Sweden, threatening tot topple the current government in the near future.

What is it with Right Wing Fascism that makes it so much more popular than say left-wing liberalism?
Fascism is an old and stale mindset - a failed one like communism. it offers stale ideas, and will fail.

there remains more leftwing liberals in the population of the world.

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