Atla wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:29 am
Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:06 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:24 pm
If women are so inferior, why so terrified of them?
This is a hard question. It is true that some people are terrified at what they don't understand while others respect their own inability to understand.
A man can be terrified by a woman's external beauty since it has a certain psychological power over them. A man can be also terrified by a woman's inner beauty. A lot of women were killed as witches because people sensed something different about them.
I know for example that Simone Weil was far more intellectually and emotionally intelligent than me. I've never read of a woman whose emotional intelligence was so pure that she was completely open to the vertical human connection of levels of reality (above and below). It doesn't terrify me but rather have great respect for it. I know this pure female emotional quality which enables a man to feel objective meaning so necessary in the world must be kept alive in the world regardless of how it is scorned.
A person can be terrified by what they don't understand but once they begin to understand, terror can quickly change to humility and affection. Of course why so many are determined to justify and defend their terror is another matter.
Nope, Simone Weil was emotionally detached on another level (or in another sense), her mind automatically converted emotions into thoughts, often not even experiencing the emotions. I know this type very well, though this comes with very high apparent emotional intelligence, it's actually more like a disability, making normal interpersonal relationships more or less impossible and they can't experience the full spectrum of human emotions. Sometimes they feel sometimes they don't, such people are born like this, it was only natural that she got interested in Buddhism later.
When disconnected from emotions, this type thinks unnaturally fast, there are only thoughts, however that doesn't make them more intelligent, their grand theories quickly collapse under some moderate scrutiny. You are in love with an illusion apparently.
I’d like to ask you some questions not for the sake of arguing but for trying to understand your perspective. The question of human emotional intelligence interests me because it seems that all the horrors of the world are the result of corrupted emotions which people don’t want to admit. So first of all you wrote:
Nope, Simone Weil was emotionally detached on another level (or in another sense), her mind automatically converted emotions into thoughts, often not even experiencing the emotions. I know this type very well, though this comes with very high apparent emotional intelligence, it's actually more like a disability, making normal interpersonal relationships more or less impossible and they can't experience the full spectrum of human emotions.
Simone was dedicated to experiencing the reality both of the external world she was within and her own inner world. Doing so requires the commitment to develop the power of conscious attention. In her own words:
."Attention is the rarest and purest form of generosity. It is given to very few minds to notice that things and beings exist. Since my childhood I have not wanted anything else but to receive the complete revelation of this before dying."
This quality of attention not to be confused with emotional suppression is only possible for a person detached from the power of acquired negative emotions. Our natural animal emotions don’t interfere but our acquired negative emotions which justify attachments negate conscious attention.
I know this type very well, though this comes with very high apparent emotional intelligence, it's actually more like a disability, making normal interpersonal relationships more or less impossible and they can't experience the full spectrum of human emotions.
Is conscious attention a disability or an evolved human attribute that appears to be a disability since we are not used to experiencing its presence?
IYO does the full spectrum of human emotions have to include the expression of acquired negative emotions? As I understand it our normal interpersonal relationships are largely based on negative emotions expressing either false pride and or vanity. Do you believe it is possible that we are far more under the power of imagination than we are aware of? Is Simone right in her description of imagination?
“Imagination is always the fabric of social life and the dynamic of history. The influence of real needs and compulsions, of real interests and materials, is indirect because the crowd is never conscious of it.”
”Imagination and fiction make up more than three quarters of our real life.”
If she is right then her description of the value of detachment for seekers of truth must be right also.
“Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be attained only by someone who is detached. There is no detachment where there is no pain. And there is no pain endured without hatred or lying unless detachment is present too.”
When hatred and lying are dominant we are incapable of either conscious attention or detachment.
When disconnected from emotions, this type thinks unnaturally fast, there are only thoughts, however that doesn't make them more intelligent, their grand theories quickly collapse under some moderate scrutiny.
Is there a grand theory she wrote of resulting from her intellectual quality blending with her emotional quality that has quickly collapsed?
It seems to me that acquired negative emotions are now considered normal and if they are not expressed a person is considered stupid, elitist, or non-caring. It may be true if a person is suppressing emotions but if a person is not dominated by these negative emotions they are far more free to be human so IMO more intelligent. A person suppressing emotions is not free to act. A person who has attained the power of limited conscious attention and even a limited freedom from the power of negative emotions is far more free to consciously act rather than mechanically react.
When free from the power of negative emotions which deny the experience of reality, we lose the ability to enable the quality of our emotions to evolve. So we remain as we are and imagine ourselves intelligent and justified. It seems this is enough for the majority but not for a minority who are drawn to become more human in mind and heart.