DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by FlashDangerpants » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:26 pm

Greta wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:15 pm
Some time ago I made music that was at times even edgier than the Skinny Puppy track but with the passing of years my tastes have become much more mellow - especially loving Pat Metheny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDI2p9VOKks, Jean Luc Ponty, Gil Scott-Heron, Focus, Gong etc. Beautiful for the ears but with plenty of subtle (and unsubtle at times) intensity, passion, originality and intelligence.
Gong being the dudes who used to gig with the Ozric Tentacles? Did a whole album about a gnome in a space teapot orbiting the Earth singing "have a cup of tea, have another cup"? I seem to remember they were kind of fun.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Nick_A » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am

Lacewing
Nick_A to Greta wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:15 am

N. Christianity is something different. It offers the means with the help of the spirit for the inner reconciliation of the human struggle between our higher and lower natures into a higher quality of being.

L. Such concepts are NOT hard to understand. But to claim that they are only associated with Christianity is a form of righteous masturbation. Christianity (like any intoxicated practice) can cloud and distort awareness to such a degree as to leave Christians very delusional indeed. Being Christian means NOTHING. You are not somehow aware of greater truths -- rather, you are compromised by your obsession. Being aware of spirit and one's higher and lower natures is not a big mystery. People can be aware of it (or ignore it) via many paths/perspectives.
I am a strong advocate of the value of Christian Platonism for opening the mind for those with the need for meaning beyond the superficial. Of course Plato and Plotinus were aware of the oppositions between our higher and lower natures. Where Christendom like other forms of secularism require belief, Christianity as a perennial tradition requires an open mind free of imagination. Simone Weil wrote
"Grace fills empty spaces, but it can only enter where there is a void to receive it We must continually suspend the work of the imagination in filling the void within ourselves."

"In no matter what circumstances, if the imagination is stopped from pouring itself out, we have a void (the poor in spirit). In no matter what circumstances... imagination can fill the void. This is why the average human beings can become prisoners, slaves, prostitutes, and pass thru no matter what suffering without being purified."
Plato described the human condition in the cave allegory and opens our mind to the human problem of awakening from the power of imagination. I have found the means for dealing with it through esoteric Christianity. I have not found it on other paths. I have found that once a person opens their mind to consciously experience the process of life, the complimentary relationship between science and the essence of religion will becomes obvious
C'mon Nick... why don't you ask what it is about the Christian mind that enables it to so easily justify all of the physical and spiritual killing that it has propagated throughout history (and still does)???? No self questioning?
You are describing expressions of Christendom or man made interpretations of Christianity. Christianity doesn’t justify reactions in the world but rather offers the means for outgrowing our attachment to it for the sake of the potential for human being in relation to our source held captive by our attachments
Your skewed view is so manipulative...and ignorant, as you IGNORE SUCH A GREAT DEAL. And your glorified PREJUDICE is so hateful.
Yet you think it's all rational and appropriate because of the way you inaccurately categorize it and lie about other views that you do not understand. How can you be so oblivious of these vast discrepancies and judgments you continually proclaim as truth? Spirit is surely IMMENSE and unrestricted -- rather than being limited/defined by such small-minded, categorized toxicity.
I’m not being manipulative. You condemn it because you deny the value of making the necessary impartial efforts to “know thyself” and confuse it with modern psychological techniques for imagining oneself.

"Do you wish to know God? Learn first to know yourself." - Abba Evagrius

The third dimension of thought is restricted to the same laws as normal binary reason. Its results are actualized in the quality of a moment within the vertical direction of being as opposed to the horizontal direction of reaction connecting before and after. It is through the conscious third dimension of thought that the meaning of Christianity becomes intellectually clear.

There is nor reason for me to practice manipulation. I just don’t see why you choose to condemn what you don’t understand. I know it is the way of the world.
John 15

18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
Why must the world hate the message? A question worthy of real philosophy and the essence of religion
So what do you get out of categorizing and restricting it as you do?
Philosophy is one means for awakening us to the distinction between objective knowledge and subjective opinions. Are you really against appreciating these two categories and the human impulse to transcend defense of opinions in pursuit of objective knowledge?

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Nick_A » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:00 am

“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” Alexis de Tocqueville

Does diversity serve to further and sustain the goal of liberty in a secular society or must it lead to restraint and servitude?

Is a free society without the help of an influential metaxu connecting that society with help from above even possible? I say no. It must degenerate into statist slavery. The reason is that humanity left to its own devices and with its need for prestige is incapable of living by voluntary obligations which are the foundation for human rights. It must reject higher values.
"The notion of obligations comes before that of rights, which is subordinate and relative to the former. A right is not effectual by itself, but only in relation to the obligation to which it corresponds, the effective exercise of a right springing not from the individual who possesses it, but from other men who consider themselves as being under a certain obligation towards him. Recognition of an obligation makes it effectual. An obligation which goes unrecognized by anybody loses none of the full force of its existence. A right which goes unrecognized by anybody is not worth very much.

It makes nonsense to say that men have, on the one hand, rights, and on the other hand, obligations. Such words only express differences in point of view. The actual relationship between the two is as between object and subject. A man, considered in isolation, only has duties, amongst which are certain duties towards himself. Other men, seen from his point of view, only have rights. He, in his turn, has rights, when seen from the point of view of other men, who recognize that they have obligations towards him. A man left alone in the universe would have no rights whatever, but he would have obligations….” - Simone Weil, “The Need for Roots”
Have you noticed any of these illegal aliens invading America describing the obligations they will adopt to support liberty? Diversity seeks the right to get what it can get but is unaware that it can only be sustained through the adoption of voluntary obligations. Secularism strives to make sure the idea of voluntary obligations is forgotten in favor of the promise of big brother to bring about utopia. Of course it cannot happen. The human condition prevents it.

The Greta philosophy wants a government to provide restraint and servitude for the people under the pretense of security except for those with her philosophy. They believe they have the intelligence to create PC the shadows on the wall. Welcome to the world of progressive secularism. I support liberty and citizens who support the standards America was founded upon. Diversity is only an advantage when together it appreciates the ideas America was founded upon. The government now rejects these ideas so the degeneration of the population into statist slavery seems inevitable.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Greta » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:11 am

FlashDangerpants wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:26 pm
Greta wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:15 pm
Some time ago I made music that was at times even edgier than the Skinny Puppy track but with the passing of years my tastes have become much more mellow - especially loving Pat Metheny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDI2p9VOKks, Jean Luc Ponty, Gil Scott-Heron, Focus, Gong etc. Beautiful for the ears but with plenty of subtle (and unsubtle at times) intensity, passion, originality and intelligence.
Gong being the dudes who used to gig with the Ozric Tentacles? Did a whole album about a gnome in a space teapot orbiting the Earth singing "have a cup of tea, have another cup"? I seem to remember they were kind of fun.
I didn't know they gigged with OT, but I can imagine it. Their early music was like a twisted hippie version of Syd Barrett Pink Floyd but, as with Floyd, I largely preferred the smoother instrumentals of their later period.

Like any grumpy old f* who's worked out what she likes and doesn't like, I have become less open-minded with age :)

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Lacewing » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:21 pm

Nick... I wish you the very best in all things... but I'm not going to pussy-foot around with my response below...
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
I am a strong advocate of the value of Christian Platonism for opening the mind for those with the need for meaning beyond the superficial.
You are clearly obsessed with it. Obsession is blindness.
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
Where Christendom like other forms of secularism require belief, Christianity as a perennial tradition requires an open mind free of imagination.
You are full of imagination, as evidenced by all of the imaginings and inaccuracies you express about people other than yourself.
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
"Grace fills empty spaces, but it can only enter where there is a void to receive it We must continually suspend the work of the imagination in filling the void within ourselves."
Such words and ideas are also imagination.
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
I have found the means for dealing with it through esoteric Christianity. I have not found it on other paths.
There are clearly paths you have no clue of... or no desire to explore because of your worship to "being in the know" of the path you've chosen.

Why WOULDN'T there be MANY paths? What kind of funky, dense spiritual platform/dynamic has only one path? Ask your ego. :twisted:
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
I have found that once a person opens their mind to consciously experience the process of life, the complimentary relationship between science and the essence of religion will becomes obvious
Sure, there are connections everywhere. It's only natural. It makes no sense to think that awareness and clarity of spirit and oneness only occurs or manifests in a particular way.
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
Christianity doesn’t justify reactions in the world but rather offers the means for outgrowing our attachment to it for the sake of the potential for human being in relation to our source held captive by our attachments
Again... you are demonstrating your obsession with ONE path. And such obsession fails to recognize such limiting manipulation as service to the ego, while denying any/all other paths emanating from the whole. It's not natural and makes no sense.
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
You condemn it because you deny the value of making the necessary impartial efforts to “know thyself” and confuse it with modern psychological techniques for imagining oneself.
This is your imagination at work.
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
The third dimension of thought is restricted to the same laws as normal binary reason. Its results are actualized in the quality of a moment within the vertical direction of being as opposed to the horizontal direction of reaction connecting before and after.
What the fuck ever. Stop trying to sound intelligent by using human concepts of direction to describe thought and its connection to spirit.
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
It is through the conscious third dimension of thought that the meaning of Christianity becomes intellectually clear.
Christianity is NOT all there is. Why wouldn't all become clear, and all be connected, whenever and however we might go about noticing it? Why are you so rigid about a specific method and structure? How does that make any sense in a vast interconnected Universe?
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
Why must the world hate the message?
"THE" message? Spoken like a truly obsessed person. I think it's more a matter of "the world" confronting people who claim to have "the message". Such fanaticism is ridiculous. "The world" has many views and paths and messages... and it naturally/seemingly tries to dislodge and dissolve rigidity in any form. Fluidity is life.

Why are you stuck on preaching one path? Ego.
Nick_A wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:33 am
Philosophy is one means for awakening us to the distinction between objective knowledge and subjective opinions. Are you really against appreciating these two categories and the human impulse to transcend defense of opinions in pursuit of objective knowledge?
No, I am not against that. I am pointing out your obsessive focus on a single path, and the potential blindness and manipulation of you doing such. Are you really against considering that? You do not speak of it simply as a methodology that works for you -- rather, you speak of it as a truth that only the righteous can attain.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:44 pm

Nick_A wrote:... I support liberty and citizens who support the standards America was founded upon. Diversity is only an advantage when together it appreciates the ideas America was founded upon. The government now rejects these ideas so the degeneration of the population into statist slavery seems inevitable.
How ironic given you wish to do away with parts of your constitution.

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Post by Nick_A » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:56 am

Lacewing
You are clearly obsessed with it. Obsession is blindness.
I admit to being awed by the depth and enormity of Christian Platonism for but not obsessed. You know I admire Simone Weil’s need for truth and the courage to experience it. Obsession creates an imbalance defeating its purpose. I don’t find obsession attractive
You are full of imagination, as evidenced by all of the imaginings and inaccuracies you express about people other than yourself.
We are all full of imagination. My advantage is my willingness to admit it and having a growing awareness of why and what is lost by it. If you are referring to secular intolerance and the harm it does, it is a reality. Nothing imaginary about it.
Such words and ideas are also imagination.
Until you make efforts to experience the void in yourself you will never observe how easily it is lost to imagination. Why judge? Why not strive for an open mind?
There are clearly paths you have no clue of... or no desire to explore because of your worship to "being in the know" of the path you've chosen.

Why WOULDN'T there be MANY paths? What kind of funky, dense spiritual platform/dynamic has only one path? Ask your ego
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The paths originating with a conscious source entered the world to awaken people of different types arising on different parts of our globe. For example Buddhism of the East appeals to an Eastern mind while esoteric Christianity which has become more open to science will appeal to a Western mind.

All the paths have the potential to meet at the Way and there is only one way. The Way is the verticality of Being which enables Man to consciously evolve from a lower level to a higher level of being.
Sure, there are connections everywhere. It's only natural. It makes no sense to think that awareness and clarity of spirit and oneness only occurs or manifests in a particular way.
All these connections create partial truths and the psychological reliance on partial truths create opinions and the need to emotionally defend them. But what about the minority who are attracted to the quality of knowledge in which all opinions are included. They must be hated by the world supporting the battles over opinions
Again... you are demonstrating your obsession with ONE path. And such obsession fails to recognize such limiting manipulation as service to the ego, while denying any/all other paths emanating from the whole. It's not natural and makes no sense.
My interest is in the complimentary relationship between science and the essence of religion. Science measure what happens between before and after. The essence of religion is concerned with the quality of “now” the quality of the moment within the vertical scale of being. Human understanding can then be defined by the intersection of factual knowledge experienced between before and after and the quality of the moment in relation to the source of our being. Human understanding can be actualized in the workings of a human perspective.

Science reveals facts while the essence of religion enables the experience of objective values. My study of esoteric Christianity has provided ideas which have enabled me to experience objective universal purpose and the purpose and potential for Man within it. I don’t reject Buddhism for example; it just doesn’t appeal to my needs.
Christianity is NOT all there is. Why wouldn't all become clear, and all be connected, whenever and however we might go about noticing it? Why are you so rigid about a specific method and structure? How does that make any sense in a vast interconnected Universe?
Believe what you want but I am convinced without opening to the hidden third our species will devolve. Rather than seeking to destroy the natural attraction to awaken to the hidden third, I’d rather support the efforts who keep it in the world for those who need it. Many will reject it but many will also have gratitude for being made aware of it.

https://parabola.org/2017/07/30/the-hidden-third/
"THE" message? Spoken like a truly obsessed person. I think it's more a matter of "the world" confronting people who claim to have "the message". Such fanaticism is ridiculous. "The world" has many views and paths and messages... and it naturally/seemingly tries to dislodge and dissolve rigidity in any form. Fluidity is life.
Yes, that is why Jesus and Socrates had to be killed. They questioned the glorification of the world of opinions at the expense of knowledge and provided an indication of what was being lost. The glorification of opinions could not tolerate the influences revealing the nature of the human condition. They had to be eliminated.
No, I am not against that. I am pointing out your obsessive focus on a single path, and the potential blindness and manipulation of you doing such. Are you really against considering that? You do not speak of it simply as a methodology that works for you -- rather, you speak of it as a truth that only the righteous can attain.
Anyone can temporarily experience awakening to the reality of their being. Of course we are egoistically tempted to interpret it and often gradually lose the experience. Awakening is not exclusive to one path. But if ones goal is to join the conscious evolving vertical Way, it isn’t easy since the authentic paths have been secularized. It is easy to fall under their influence. One needs the inner taste to be attracted to the real. That is why I admire Simone Weil. She had the intellectual and emotional intelligence along with the need and courage to achieve a quality of being we don’t understand. Perhaps she became a part of conscious humanity. Who is to say?

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Post by Walker » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:14 am

Nick_A wrote: Have you noticed any of these illegal aliens invading America describing the obligations they will adopt to support liberty? Diversity seeks the right to get what it can get but is unaware that it can only be sustained through the adoption of voluntary obligations. Secularism strives to make sure the idea of voluntary obligations is forgotten in favor of the promise of big brother to bring about utopia. Of course it cannot happen. The human condition prevents it.
Why should they or anyone else give a hoot in hell about obligations when so much obvious irresponsibility is displayed by the status quo?

For instance, big media feels no obligation to truth.
For instance, a porous, flooding border displays no official obligation to maintain national boundaries.

When objective witnessing walks into the picture, the bilge that consistently gets shoveled by the news outlets that are biased against both POTUS Trump and Christianity gets revealed by the stark contrast with rationality.

As luck would have it, the following is some objective witnessing that makes reading worthwhile, and meets the obligation of using words truthfully:

The Media Botched the Covington Catholic Story
- Caitlin Flanagan

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ry/581035/

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Post by Lacewing » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:21 am

Nick_A wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:56 am
You know I admire Simone Weil’s need for truth and the courage to experience it.
It takes courage to live on this planet every day, amidst such cruelty and destruction. Loving as much as we can while our hearts are breaking. Simone Weil may have written things down, but she was not unique in her passionate quest. Your glorification of her while you accuse the rest of humanity of not wanting truth or having courage, is -- I believe -- very short-sighted on your part.
Nick_A wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:56 am
Obsession creates an imbalance defeating its purpose.
I think obsession is an intoxication... and people who are intoxicated, do not have clarity. For me, clarity is one of the best things to seek. More than even supposed "answers" or "truth", as the illusion of those can be intoxicating. Clarity (to me) is flowing... and seeks to "see" in the moment, rather than possess and tie down.
Nick_A wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:56 am
We are all full of imagination. My advantage is my willingness to admit it and having a growing awareness of why and what is lost by it.
Do you really think you are profoundly unique in this?

And do you think that most of humanity is spiritually detached? What if humanity is a single organism of many parts, sharing all of the same information and spirit, while the parts act out different potentials? Yet, as a whole, humanity emanates from... and vibrates with... the SAME spirit?

Is this world stage NOT an illusion of separates? How can any TRULY spiritual practice/perspective buy into such belief and imagination of separates? Why all the separation of spirit? I think such beliefs are the most dense manifestations of human ego. They seek to own or reign over something. Whereas perspectives that see the divine in all seem like much broader, inclusive thinking.
Nick_A wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:56 am
Until you make efforts to experience the void in yourself you will never observe how easily it is lost to imagination. Why judge? Why not strive for an open mind?
I agree... I just use different words... and I don't proclaim that it has to look a certain way. Your descriptions of what is and what should be, are limited.
Nick_A wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:56 am
All these connections create partial truths and the psychological reliance on partial truths create opinions and the need to emotionally defend them. But what about the minority who are attracted to the quality of knowledge in which all opinions are included. They must be hated by the world supporting the battles over opinions.
You seem to be oblivious to the existence of your own opinions. The world is not battling over your "divine truth". The world is arguing against what you claim is divine truth because you clearly are based in opinions and agendas and imagination. You may say that your view encompasses all others, but it does not -- as you clearly reject and condemn anything that does not match your words and view. You deny its validity. You deny its spirit.

To claim what is spirit and what is not... you must make it up, I think!

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Post by Lacewing » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:46 am

Nick_A wrote: Have you noticed any of these illegal aliens invading America describing the obligations they will adopt to support liberty?
Walker wrote: Why should they or anyone else give a hoot in hell about obligations when so much obvious irresponsibility is displayed by the status quo?
Just out of curiosity, what would each of YOU do if you were in their shoes -- perhaps escaping war and poverty and violence, with hopes of securing a better and safer life for you and your children?

What should anyone do in such a situation?

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Post by Frank N Stein » Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:20 am

Lacewing wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:46 am
Nick_A wrote: Have you noticed any of these illegal aliens invading America describing the obligations they will adopt to support liberty?
Walker wrote: Why should they or anyone else give a hoot in hell about obligations when so much obvious irresponsibility is displayed by the status quo?
Just out of curiosity, what would each of YOU do if you were in their shoes -- perhaps escaping war and poverty and violence, with hopes of securing a better and safer life for you and your children?

What should anyone do in such a situation?
Plenty of poverty and violence in the US I would have thought. Not war though--the US only starts those in other people's countries.

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Post by Walker » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:32 pm

Lacewing wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:46 am
Nick_A wrote: Have you noticed any of these illegal aliens invading America describing the obligations they will adopt to support liberty?
Walker wrote: Why should they or anyone else give a hoot in hell about obligations when so much obvious irresponsibility is displayed by the status quo?
Just out of curiosity, what would each of YOU do if you were in their shoes -- perhaps escaping war and poverty and violence, with hopes of securing a better and safer life for you and your children?

What should anyone do in such a situation?
As an invader setting out to break the law you would likely be raped, so what would you do?

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Post by Dachshund » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:38 pm

Frank N Stein wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:20 am

Plenty of poverty and violence in the US I would have thought. Not war though--the US only starts those in other people's countries.
You're staring down the barrel of a second civil war in the US right now, numbskull.

It will be white , straight, American men versus libtard communists ( cultural Marxists, etc) like you; or rather, not like you, because you would never have the balls to actually defend your own degenerate leftist BS when things start to turn hot on the streets.

:)

Regards

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Post by Walker » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:14 pm

Frank N Stein wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:20 am
Lacewing wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:46 am
Nick_A wrote: Have you noticed any of these illegal aliens invading America describing the obligations they will adopt to support liberty?
Walker wrote: Why should they or anyone else give a hoot in hell about obligations when so much obvious irresponsibility is displayed by the status quo?
Just out of curiosity, what would each of YOU do if you were in their shoes -- perhaps escaping war and poverty and violence, with hopes of securing a better and safer life for you and your children?

What should anyone do in such a situation?
Plenty of poverty and violence in the US I would have thought. Not war though--the US only starts those in other people's countries.
Amazing.

In this entire lengthy Wiki article that is relevant to the OP, there is no mention of Roosevelt the Progressive God*.

Today’s students sourcing the Web to fulfill their school assignments might get the wrong idea, and not by accident.

Mexican Repatriation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

* I once spent a day in his Hyde Park stomping grounds. Good day, nice place, good view of the Hudson although not as good as in his day.

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Post by Lacewing » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:50 pm

Walker wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:32 pm
Lacewing wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:46 am
Just out of curiosity, what would each of YOU do if you were in their shoes -- perhaps escaping war and poverty and violence, with hopes of securing a better and safer life for you and your children?

What should anyone do in such a situation?
As an invader setting out to break the law you would likely be raped, so what would you do?
Why didn't you answer the question? Are you afraid of revealing that you would do the same thing as these migrants are doing?

If I was fleeing such terrible conditions that I was willing to go through hell for myself and my children, rape would not be a deterrent. Would it be a deterrent for you?

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