DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by FlashDangerpants » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:07 am

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:35 am
FlashDangerpants wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:33 pm
Frank N Stein wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:17 pm


They do say that necessity is the mother of invention. What's wrong with that?
What exactly are you getting at?

I didn't particularly expect you to buy into some notion that some random black guy in London or Berlin would be lazy on account of his ancestors living somewhere warm. That is Daschund's basic claim, he'll try and spin that he means something less ban-worthy, but you and I both know it is an accurate enough summary of what he intends you to understand once you dig beneath his flabby and tedious explanations.

Is cold weather the only source of necessity you or Walker can imagine? Perhaps the Vikings would have been yet more industrious had they also had to run away from tigers when they were developing that super special character of theirs which merely coincides with their pink skins and blue eyes.
I know exactly what 'daschund' is saying, and it's not that cold weather is a catalyst for technological advancement. Walker was merely making an observation. So what? Are you the thought police? Stop looking for white supremacists where there ain't none. They aren't exactly difficult to spot.
Well duh. Daschund was saying that all the races should live in isolation forever due to some sort of incompatibility between them, and, you know, different capabilites with some being better than others.

Let's recap Walker's contribution...
Walker wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:24 pm
Climate could be the significant factor for achievement.

Northern climes require and promote tenacity.

Equatorial tropics are more mañana oriented.
So you see, Walker was the one saying cold weather was the catalyst. I hope oyu are clever enough to gather that from the phrase "Northern climes require and promote tenacity."

In the context in which that was offered ... as a reply to a white supremacist .. Walker offered his 'observation' that peoples from warm climates are lazy - that is definitely what "mañana oriented" means.

So, Walker is offering an explanation for why the races have divergent capabilities. Now I admit, he is very stupid. He is probably capable of aiding and abetting grand racism entirely by accident. Which is fine, he is welcome to recognize that his input was stupid and regrettable and should be disavowed.

But it isn't unfair to recognize that he is in that statement offering his assistance - shit though it may be - to a white supremacist.

Now quit waving your dick at me.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by gaffo » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:00 am

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:24 am
"Diversity is our Greatest Strength !". This is the mantra that is continuously chanted by mainstream academics, journalists, educators and politicians in the United States today, and they mean all kinds if diversity: language; religion; culture; sexuality and in particular, race. Of course, when you ask them to explain what exactly is so great about about having 40 million Mexicans living in America, or how it is that 6 million Muslims improve the lives of the American people, you wont get and answer, you'll probably just get yelled at for asking the question.

The reason you wont get an answer is because diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. Without racial diversity there would be: no race riots; no dangerous inner cities; no "Black Lives Matter" protests; no prejudicial "Affirmative Action" programs; no worries about whether there are too many Asians at Harvard and not enough Hispanics on television; no racial discrimination law suits, no compulsory diversity training. There would also be no "White Guilt", no "White Privilege", in fact there would be no racial conflict or tension at all. Can you imagine such a peaceful, unified and carefree United States ! Admittedly, there would be fewer Mexican restaurant and the US might not win so many medals in the Olympic Games, but I think most Americans could live with that.

Just look at what racial diversity is doing to American politics. The Democrats have become the non- White party, 90 - 95% of Black African - American and 70% of Hispanics and Asians now vote Democrat. At the same time, the Republican party is increasing becoming the White people's party, a number of authoritative, mainstream American political analysts are now forecasting that within a decade, 80% of White (European descended) Americans will vote Republic. So it appears that racial diversity is already rendering elections in America merely a "racial headcount" and not a choice between different ways to govern a country.

The whole myth that racial diversity is a strength has been debunked by many recent research studies, perhaps the most decisive evidence comes from a research investigation conducted by eminent Harvard sociologist, Professor Robert Putnam who conducted a large study involving over 30,000 Americans from a broad range of communities, ranging from those in Southern towns of America that were essentially all White to those that were racially very racially diverse, such as the central districts of Los Angeles. When Putnam had collected all of his data, and began to look through it, he was deeply shocked what he found. He had been expecting (and indeed hoping) to find that increased levels of racial diversity has a positive effect on community life. What he found, however was robust evidence that racial diversity destroys trust in communities. The findings from his study clearly demonstrated that people who live is areas of high racial diversity, like Los Angeles don't trust their neighbours. Moreover they don't trust their politicians, they have few close friends, they don't get involved in their community, they don't do charity/volunteer work and they are less likely to vote. About the only thing that they do more of are go on protest marches and stay at home watching television. Putnam was so astonished by his research results that to begin, he simply could not believe them, he felt there there must be some other factor at work - something he had overlooked - apart from racial diversity, that would explain his results. He then spent literally years hunting for some alternative explanation that could account for research finding. Ultimately, however, after 6 years searching, Putnam could not find any social factor, apart from the degree racial diversity, to explain the variation of levels of trust in communities that his research data confirmed. He then finally published his research in 2007 in the high-impact journal, Scandinavian Political Studies as in paper entitled : "E Pluribus Unum: Diversity and Community in the 21st Century." (cf: June 2007 30(2); pp. 134 - 174) Since Putnam's paper was published, other researcher from around the world have confirmed the same phenomenon, that is. there is a direct relationship between levels of diversity racial, ethnic, religious, tribal) in a community and the level of trust that prevail. As diversity is increased, levels of trust are diminished.

Diversity destroys trust; with enough diversity in a society, people stop having much of anything in common, and ultimately diversity destroys CULTURE. Here's an example. Consider the buildings that house the three branches of American government: the US Supreme Court building; the Executive mansion or the "White House"; the legislative branch in Congress and The Senate. These buildings could have been built ONLY in a country that drew its culture directly from Western Europe ( i.e. "The West") which is a culture that has one of its primal foundations in the culture of ancient Greco-Roman antiquity. The architecture of all these three building was strongly influenced by by the Classical style of ancient Athens and from other great Western
cultural traditions such as the 16th century Palladian architectural style which is incorporated into design of the White House You will see the same thing in other American public buildings like the National Gallery and even the Department of Agriculture building, both of which bring to mind the Doric Temples of ancient Athens.

Note that these buildings were all erected before America decided that "diversity is our greatest strength". They were constructed at a time when the American people knew that they were a Western European people, and when they were very proud to identify themselves as such - as Westerners". They were very proud, as well, of their Western cultural heritage and the extraordinary achievements their of culture over the millennia. But how long will it be, I wonder, before the increasing non-White/European country that America is becoming begins to openly denounce buildings like Congress and the White House as offensive White-Supremacist architecture that must be destroyed and replaced with something more "politically correct" and "multicultural" I can see it now, the White House, Congress , the Senate, the US Supreme Court building and the National Gallery ( and public building that looks like them) being bull-dozed into the ground and replaced with buildings that are intended to suit all of the different racial/ethnic groups. What would these new building look like? I think you might get a good idea if you google up the images of building like these: (1) The Supreme Court of Brazil (2) the parliament building of Bangladesh or, say, (3) the Opera House of Taiwan and (4) the United Nations building. What we have in these buildings is a good example of the appalling ugliness and cultural vacuousness of modernist architecture. Buildings like these are the products of a soulless, "machine" architectonic. They are aesthetic eye-sores which have no roots in any distinctive cultural tradition. These buildings could be placed anywhere or nowhere, - they are what some traditional architects call "junkspace". They have no conceivable connection with unique cultural/ethnic identity of the native people in those countries. This is what architecture for a racially diverse society that celebrates multiculturalism looks like, i.e. like something a bored 4-year old could design in 30 minute at kindergarten.

On the other hand, countries that don't celebrate diversity can still have a national architecture. Take for example the swimming pool enclosure at the Ritz Carlton in Saudi Arabia. This is a space fitted with vaulted columns of glowing, polished marble and a splendid arabesque aesthetic that immediately brings to mind the exotic beauty of a niche in an medieval Islamic mosque. Even Saddam Hussein's former palaces in Baghdad had deep aesthetic foundations in his culture. These palaces are all large buildings that draw on a variety of traditional architectural styles including Moorish, Timurid (Turkistani), ancient Iraqi Mesopotamian and Ottoman. While in Asia, the distinctively styled Korean President's house, known as "The Blue House" (Cheung Wa Dee) is a striking example of a wooded building that was constructed using the traditional curving, sloped forms of the "hipped-and -gabled" architectural style. These building look like they belong in the country they were built in Meanwhile, back in the US, we have to quote Prince Charles a "monstrous carbuncle" like the Afro - American Museum in Washington DC. Here is a build that is completely divorced from the Western (European) cultural tradition; it doesn't look like anything in particular except a large nondescript , lurid, bronze/gold (?) -clad, roughly - rectangular. And this is what happens to every element of a culture when its heart is cut out.

What will the "Multi - Cultis" put in the Afro-American Museum, I wonder? Will it be the most beautiful art or political "Affirmative Action" or "Black Live Matter" art? Music, movies, drama, the fine arts, novels they all have to satisfy everyone, which means they wont satisfy anyone. Who listens to "Classical" music in America ? Whites and some Asians. The great fugues of Handel, Beethoven and Wagner, amongst others,are culturally speaking, quintessentially Western. A piece of music like Richards Wagner's, "Flight of the Valkyries", is, without doubt, one of the purest expressions of the true soul of Western culture to have ever been composed. There was once a world-class symphony orchestra in Oakland, (California), but it went bust when Oakland's leftist hipsters decided the town should become "vibrant"

Have you ever wondered why it is so many of today's American movies are violent, special - effects extravaganzas ? It's because they're made for a world market - the least common denominator. An important part of the world market is China and recently (last year) the Wall Street Journal was reporting (quote): "Hollywood under Pressure to put More Chinese Actors in the Spotlight."

And it's even worse when you have the whole world living in your country. Nothing survives, anything of value is ground away in the churning and mixing. Multiculturalism does not mean that authentic national/cultural traditions exist side-by-side, it means that all traditions are worn away and destroyed.

I support TRUE diversity. I want to see Japan remain distinctly and proudly Japanese. I want the same for Nigeria, England, Somalia and Denmark. Every culture, no matter how strange it my seem to us (Westerners) is beautiful to its own people and deserves to survive. Could the Buddhist way of life as it is practised in Tibet ever survive the onslaught of mass immigration, racial/ethnic diversity and multiculturalism?

What the left in America calls "diversity" is the mindless destruction of everything in their country that is rooted, that is authentic, that is judged to be of value and therefore worth preserving, that has risen out of a shared heritage over countless generations. Real diversity requires a commitment to conserving/preserving the common legacy of a distinct people and their culture. The irony is that his is something America seem to understand perfectly well when it comes to protecting the unique cultural traditions of OTHER peoples in foreign countries. When in 1965, for example, the people of Thailand were threatened with a armed communist insurgency that was absolutely intent on destroying every element of their traditional culture and way of life, the US military promptly arrive to help defend the Thai people from the communist aggressors and did leave until the threat had been neutralised in 1983. Likewise in Bolivia (1966-7), South Zaire (1978) and Cambodia (1967-75).

What America does not seem to understand is that for the past 50 odd years (since 1965), an internal Neo-Marxist insurgency has been waging an increasingly successful cultural war within its own borders; a war whose ultimate goal is to destroy the United States Western/European nation; to destroy its traditional Western (European) culture. America is now being swamped by immigration from non-Western nations, and everything that Americans cherish, everything they have striven for and built since the birth of their nation in 1776 will be lost. It will be lost if European American turn their own country over to people who are NOT Americans. Ultimately, Americans will lose themselves. If non-White (European) immigration continues at the pace it has done and every institution in the US promotes inter-marriage between races in 200 years there will be no White?European Americans in North America. There will still be Asians (Japanese, Chinese), Africans, Latinos, Amerindians etc; in the world because most of them live in countries that don't celebrate diversity. But the White American will disappear from the US and so will his culture - Western culture. Western culture, the greatest, and most objectively superior culture that has ever emerged in the entire history of human civilization will disappear from North America.


Regards


Dachshund
somwhere along the line Americans (late 80's) lost the Melting Pot/Univeral Humanism mentality.

as a 70's Dem since that time to today, now without a political party and register independant, still affirm the above.

I affirm equallity of all and champion Western Values (the Enlightenment) - and Assimilation of others when living in Western Nations - as fully human with equal rights and value - regardless of race, national origin or sex.

not much into anti-assimilation - diversity = the Balkins.

not good.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by gaffo » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:05 am

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:24 am
"Diversity is our Greatest Strength !". This is the mantra that is continuously chanted by mainstream academics, journalists, educators and politicians in the United States today, and they mean all kinds if diversity: language; religion; culture; sexuality and in particular, race. Of course, when you ask them to explain what exactly is so great about about having 40 million Mexicans living in America, or how it is that 6 million Muslims improve the lives of the American people, you wont get and answer, you'll probably just get yelled at for asking the question.

The reason you wont get an answer is because diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. Without racial diversity there would be: no race riots; no dangerous inner cities; no "Black Lives Matter" protests; no prejudicial "Affirmative Action" programs; no worries about whether there are too many Asians at Harvard and not enough Hispanics on television; no racial discrimination law suits, no compulsory diversity training. There would also be no "White Guilt", no "White Privilege", in fact there would be no racial conflict or tension at all. Can you imagine such a peaceful, unified and carefree United States ! Admittedly, there would be fewer Mexican restaurant and the US might not win so many medals in the Olympic Games, but I think most Americans could live with that.

Just look at what racial diversity is doing to American politics. The Democrats have become the non- White party, 90 - 95% of Black African - American and 70% of Hispanics and Asians now vote Democrat. At the same time, the Republican party is increasing becoming the White people's party, a number of authoritative, mainstream American political analysts are now forecasting that within a decade, 80% of White (European descended) Americans will vote Republic. So it appears that racial diversity is already rendering elections in America merely a "racial headcount" and not a choice between different ways to govern a country.

The whole myth that racial diversity is a strength has been debunked by many recent research studies, perhaps the most decisive evidence comes from a research investigation conducted by eminent Harvard sociologist, Professor Robert Putnam who conducted a large study involving over 30,000 Americans from a broad range of communities, ranging from those in Southern towns of America that were essentially all White to those that were racially very racially diverse, such as the central districts of Los Angeles. When Putnam had collected all of his data, and began to look through it, he was deeply shocked what he found. He had been expecting (and indeed hoping) to find that increased levels of racial diversity has a positive effect on community life. What he found, however was robust evidence that racial diversity destroys trust in communities. The findings from his study clearly demonstrated that people who live is areas of high racial diversity, like Los Angeles don't trust their neighbours. Moreover they don't trust their politicians, they have few close friends, they don't get involved in their community, they don't do charity/volunteer work and they are less likely to vote. About the only thing that they do more of are go on protest marches and stay at home watching television. Putnam was so astonished by his research results that to begin, he simply could not believe them, he felt there there must be some other factor at work - something he had overlooked - apart from racial diversity, that would explain his results. He then spent literally years hunting for some alternative explanation that could account for research finding. Ultimately, however, after 6 years searching, Putnam could not find any social factor, apart from the degree racial diversity, to explain the variation of levels of trust in communities that his research data confirmed. He then finally published his research in 2007 in the high-impact journal, Scandinavian Political Studies as in paper entitled : "E Pluribus Unum: Diversity and Community in the 21st Century." (cf: June 2007 30(2); pp. 134 - 174) Since Putnam's paper was published, other researcher from around the world have confirmed the same phenomenon, that is. there is a direct relationship between levels of diversity racial, ethnic, religious, tribal) in a community and the level of trust that prevail. As diversity is increased, levels of trust are diminished.

Diversity destroys trust; with enough diversity in a society, people stop having much of anything in common, and ultimately diversity destroys CULTURE. Here's an example. Consider the buildings that house the three branches of American government: the US Supreme Court building; the Executive mansion or the "White House"; the legislative branch in Congress and The Senate. These buildings could have been built ONLY in a country that drew its culture directly from Western Europe ( i.e. "The West") which is a culture that has one of its primal foundations in the culture of ancient Greco-Roman antiquity. The architecture of all these three building was strongly influenced by by the Classical style of ancient Athens and from other great Western
cultural traditions such as the 16th century Palladian architectural style which is incorporated into design of the White House You will see the same thing in other American public buildings like the National Gallery and even the Department of Agriculture building, both of which bring to mind the Doric Temples of ancient Athens.

Note that these buildings were all erected before America decided that "diversity is our greatest strength". They were constructed at a time when the American people knew that they were a Western European people, and when they were very proud to identify themselves as such - as Westerners". They were very proud, as well, of their Western cultural heritage and the extraordinary achievements their of culture over the millennia. But how long will it be, I wonder, before the increasing non-White/European country that America is becoming begins to openly denounce buildings like Congress and the White House as offensive White-Supremacist architecture that must be destroyed and replaced with something more "politically correct" and "multicultural" I can see it now, the White House, Congress , the Senate, the US Supreme Court building and the National Gallery ( and public building that looks like them) being bull-dozed into the ground and replaced with buildings that are intended to suit all of the different racial/ethnic groups. What would these new building look like? I think you might get a good idea if you google up the images of building like these: (1) The Supreme Court of Brazil (2) the parliament building of Bangladesh or, say, (3) the Opera House of Taiwan and (4) the United Nations building. What we have in these buildings is a good example of the appalling ugliness and cultural vacuousness of modernist architecture. Buildings like these are the products of a soulless, "machine" architectonic. They are aesthetic eye-sores which have no roots in any distinctive cultural tradition. These buildings could be placed anywhere or nowhere, - they are what some traditional architects call "junkspace". They have no conceivable connection with unique cultural/ethnic identity of the native people in those countries. This is what architecture for a racially diverse society that celebrates multiculturalism looks like, i.e. like something a bored 4-year old could design in 30 minute at kindergarten.

On the other hand, countries that don't celebrate diversity can still have a national architecture. Take for example the swimming pool enclosure at the Ritz Carlton in Saudi Arabia. This is a space fitted with vaulted columns of glowing, polished marble and a splendid arabesque aesthetic that immediately brings to mind the exotic beauty of a niche in an medieval Islamic mosque. Even Saddam Hussein's former palaces in Baghdad had deep aesthetic foundations in his culture. These palaces are all large buildings that draw on a variety of traditional architectural styles including Moorish, Timurid (Turkistani), ancient Iraqi Mesopotamian and Ottoman. While in Asia, the distinctively styled Korean President's house, known as "The Blue House" (Cheung Wa Dee) is a striking example of a wooded building that was constructed using the traditional curving, sloped forms of the "hipped-and -gabled" architectural style. These building look like they belong in the country they were built in Meanwhile, back in the US, we have to quote Prince Charles a "monstrous carbuncle" like the Afro - American Museum in Washington DC. Here is a build that is completely divorced from the Western (European) cultural tradition; it doesn't look like anything in particular except a large nondescript , lurid, bronze/gold (?) -clad, roughly - rectangular. And this is what happens to every element of a culture when its heart is cut out.

What will the "Multi - Cultis" put in the Afro-American Museum, I wonder? Will it be the most beautiful art or political "Affirmative Action" or "Black Live Matter" art? Music, movies, drama, the fine arts, novels they all have to satisfy everyone, which means they wont satisfy anyone. Who listens to "Classical" music in America ? Whites and some Asians. The great fugues of Handel, Beethoven and Wagner, amongst others,are culturally speaking, quintessentially Western. A piece of music like Richards Wagner's, "Flight of the Valkyries", is, without doubt, one of the purest expressions of the true soul of Western culture to have ever been composed. There was once a world-class symphony orchestra in Oakland, (California), but it went bust when Oakland's leftist hipsters decided the town should become "vibrant"

Have you ever wondered why it is so many of today's American movies are violent, special - effects extravaganzas ? It's because they're made for a world market - the least common denominator. An important part of the world market is China and recently (last year) the Wall Street Journal was reporting (quote): "Hollywood under Pressure to put More Chinese Actors in the Spotlight."

And it's even worse when you have the whole world living in your country. Nothing survives, anything of value is ground away in the churning and mixing. Multiculturalism does not mean that authentic national/cultural traditions exist side-by-side, it means that all traditions are worn away and destroyed.

I support TRUE diversity. I want to see Japan remain distinctly and proudly Japanese. I want the same for Nigeria, England, Somalia and Denmark. Every culture, no matter how strange it my seem to us (Westerners) is beautiful to its own people and deserves to survive. Could the Buddhist way of life as it is practised in Tibet ever survive the onslaught of mass immigration, racial/ethnic diversity and multiculturalism?

What the left in America calls "diversity" is the mindless destruction of everything in their country that is rooted, that is authentic, that is judged to be of value and therefore worth preserving, that has risen out of a shared heritage over countless generations. Real diversity requires a commitment to conserving/preserving the common legacy of a distinct people and their culture. The irony is that his is something America seem to understand perfectly well when it comes to protecting the unique cultural traditions of OTHER peoples in foreign countries. When in 1965, for example, the people of Thailand were threatened with a armed communist insurgency that was absolutely intent on destroying every element of their traditional culture and way of life, the US military promptly arrive to help defend the Thai people from the communist aggressors and did leave until the threat had been neutralised in 1983. Likewise in Bolivia (1966-7), South Zaire (1978) and Cambodia (1967-75).

What America does not seem to understand is that for the past 50 odd years (since 1965), an internal Neo-Marxist insurgency has been waging an increasingly successful cultural war within its own borders; a war whose ultimate goal is to destroy the United States Western/European nation; to destroy its traditional Western (European) culture. America is now being swamped by immigration from non-Western nations, and everything that Americans cherish, everything they have striven for and built since the birth of their nation in 1776 will be lost. It will be lost if European American turn their own country over to people who are NOT Americans. Ultimately, Americans will lose themselves. If non-White (European) immigration continues at the pace it has done and every institution in the US promotes inter-marriage between races in 200 years there will be no White?European Americans in North America. There will still be Asians (Japanese, Chinese), Africans, Latinos, Amerindians etc; in the world because most of them live in countries that don't celebrate diversity. But the White American will disappear from the US and so will his culture - Western culture. Western culture, the greatest, and most objectively superior culture that has ever emerged in the entire history of human civilization will disappear from North America.


Regards


Dachshund
Political Correctness is all about Tribalism (same as "diversity") - fixing upon the .1 pecent diffenece and ignore the 99.9 common humanity we all have.

and why i hate PC.

i hate racists too - they fixate on the same .1 pecent and ingore the 99.9.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by gaffo » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:07 am

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:03 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:42 am
Are you talking about 'Western civilization', or specifically American culture eg McDonald's, Burger King, Chuck E Cheese, Hot dogs, Pizza Hutt, Fifty cent, Beyonce etc?
Hi

McDonalds and Pizza Hut, Beyonce and Taylor Swift are examples of American junk culture, that is US -style, capitalist pop-culture designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the population. America is founded on traditional Western cultural values and II'll explain what I mean by this below
Soft power.........a good thing, makes the world a village.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by gaffo » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:14 am

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:24 am
no "Black Lives Matter" protests; no prejudicial "Affirmative Action" programs; no worries about whether there are too many Asians at Harvard and not enough Hispanics on television; no racial discrimination law suits, no compulsory diversity training. There would also be no "White Guilt", no "White Privilege", in fact there would be no racial conflict or tension at all. Can you imagine such a peaceful, unified and carefree United States ! Admittedly, there would be fewer Mexican restaurant and the US might not win so many medals in the Olympic Games, but I think most Americans could live with that.

racism still exists sadly, it is foolish to deny that.

more important to acknowedge it strive to remove, while affirm universal humanism. no need to vilanize me being born white.

i was and have no guilt for any ancestors that own blacks, i never owned other folks nor wish to.

only a fool hates him/herself for being born white/black/etc.

i note my actions and comdem myself for those acts.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by gaffo » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:23 am

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:03 am

So, what makes a nation a Western nation? The adjective "Western" refers to the dominant culture of the country, and Western culture is short for Western European culture. The origins of Western culture are ancient and varied and still the subject of intense debate.
~ 1300 Enlightenment mentality.

that would include Japan - since post ww2 - via our occupation - removed their empirical Shinto/Militarism (note that Japan was moving toward Western Culture from 1900-20's by itself, but her military took control of her culture and reversed this mindset and resulted in WW2 (so not saying "whites need to educate them" - they were on the correct path until their military took over their culture..............and then lost WW2 and we then re-imposed those values upon their nation).

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Frank N Stein » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:53 am

FlashDangerpants wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:07 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:35 am
FlashDangerpants wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:33 pm

What exactly are you getting at?

I didn't particularly expect you to buy into some notion that some random black guy in London or Berlin would be lazy on account of his ancestors living somewhere warm. That is Daschund's basic claim, he'll try and spin that he means something less ban-worthy, but you and I both know it is an accurate enough summary of what he intends you to understand once you dig beneath his flabby and tedious explanations.

Is cold weather the only source of necessity you or Walker can imagine? Perhaps the Vikings would have been yet more industrious had they also had to run away from tigers when they were developing that super special character of theirs which merely coincides with their pink skins and blue eyes.
I know exactly what 'daschund' is saying, and it's not that cold weather is a catalyst for technological advancement. Walker was merely making an observation. So what? Are you the thought police? Stop looking for white supremacists where there ain't none. They aren't exactly difficult to spot.
Well duh. Daschund was saying that all the races should live in isolation forever due to some sort of incompatibility between them, and, you know, different capabilites with some being better than others.

Let's recap Walker's contribution...
Walker wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:24 pm
Climate could be the significant factor for achievement.

Northern climes require and promote tenacity.

Equatorial tropics are more mañana oriented.
So you see, Walker was the one saying cold weather was the catalyst. I hope oyu are clever enough to gather that from the phrase "Northern climes require and promote tenacity."

In the context in which that was offered ... as a reply to a white supremacist .. Walker offered his 'observation' that peoples from warm climates are lazy - that is definitely what "mañana oriented" means.

So, Walker is offering an explanation for why the races have divergent capabilities. Now I admit, he is very stupid. He is probably capable of aiding and abetting grand racism entirely by accident. Which is fine, he is welcome to recognize that his input was stupid and regrettable and should be disavowed.

But it isn't unfair to recognize that he is in that statement offering his assistance - shit though it may be - to a white supremacist.

Now quit waving your dick at me.
Speaking of dick-waving.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Frank N Stein » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:02 am

gaffo wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:14 am
Dachshund wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:24 am
no "Black Lives Matter" protests; no prejudicial "Affirmative Action" programs; no worries about whether there are too many Asians at Harvard and not enough Hispanics on television; no racial discrimination law suits, no compulsory diversity training. There would also be no "White Guilt", no "White Privilege", in fact there would be no racial conflict or tension at all. Can you imagine such a peaceful, unified and carefree United States ! Admittedly, there would be fewer Mexican restaurant and the US might not win so many medals in the Olympic Games, but I think most Americans could live with that.

racism still exists sadly, it is foolish to deny that.

more important to acknowedge it strive to remove, while affirm universal humanism. no need to vilanize me being born white.

i was and have no guilt for any ancestors that own blacks, i never owned other folks nor wish to.

only a fool hates him/herself for being born white/black/etc.

i note my actions and comdem myself for those acts.
Yes, racism still exists. Unfortunately both extremes are too stupid to understand the simplest concepts. On one extreme you have the jackboot-wearing Hitler-worshippers like dachund who don't have a clue about science or social and technological evolution, and on the other you have the moral guardians like Flash who jump around like startled crickets, ready to pounce on even the most dubious hint of racism (whether justly or unjustly) in order to validate their feelings of self-worth and moral soundness.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by FlashDangerpants » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:02 pm

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:01 pm

Diversity is part of it. That we're the last large nation to be formed is another reason. That our country was largely isolated is yet another.

Bio-diversity is always a plus. If the genome isn't challenged, defects become more pronounced and the animal can wither and die. The earth is a metamorphosis of elements that are haphazardly distributed around its surface. Humans, like other animals and plants require various element replacements, to stay viable and strong. Our chemistry is complicated, scientists still haven't nailed down proper nutrition, or if some have, there is so much chaff out there, that it's hard to recognize. So immigrants from other cultures thus different geographic regions lends different chemistry to another culture. Not to mention different thinking. The reason this is such a great idea is because there is only one race, the human race. When we're fractured in compartmentalized cultures others miss out on what that portion of humanity has to offer. Nietzsche's Übermensch (used so as to convey his idea yet slightly different) is achieved when all of humanities various cultures are joined. Hey it kinda reminds me of the movie "The Dark Crystal," but without puppets made of textiles. ;-)

There, just one facet of diversities advantage.

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Post by commonsense » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:16 pm

No, not diversity. America’s greatest strength is not diversity.

It’s the American Constitution, although its meaning is often debated at length. So maybe not its Constitution.

It’s freedom of speech, although there’s hate speech, pornography and such. Maybe it isn’t freedom of speech.

It’s individual freedom, although PC puts restraints on individual thoughts and actions. Maybe not that.

It’s the opportunity for financial growth. But financial security is threatened these days. So, maybe not.

Then it must be the legal system, although the reality is guilty until proven innocent. Maybe not.

It’s tolerance of each other. No.

It’s capitalism. It’s socialism. It’s nationalism. It’s federalism. It’s local rule. It’s the grass roots. It’s the cities. It’s ecology. It’s industry.


No, wait! It’s the ability to survive change…

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Post by Greta » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:29 am

The US's greatest strengths would probably be its large size and natural resources, being largely in the temperate zone, along with a large population, an organised political and legal system, and the wealth generated by those factors.

Like any other empire, it rises and it falls. It's interesting to watch because in the 80s people figured that the US was so dominant that it would be the world's powerhouse forever. However, division caused by growing inequality and Fox's self interested destabilisation** has fractured that power. The nation will probably remain one of the world's more powerful nations, as is Britain, but it's declining fast, ever more isolated and unable to give or gain cooperation for new projects, obsessed with internal fights.

Diversity is a strength, and always has been, acting to revitalise and reduce stagnation of both gene pools and societies (meme poools). I wouldn't say it's any nation's greatest strength; that's the kind of hyperbolic platitude that a white supremacist like Dachshund might seize upon as an easy straw man target.


** Consider where Murdoch's presence is strongest. The US - wracked by internal divisions and hatreds. UK - in a shambles with the ill-fated Brexit move. Australia - unstable system where prime ministers are replaced every two years or so and policy paralysis. IMO Murdoch is a bad actor who has widened divisions everywhere that he's gained a significant foothold. Divide and rule, thus he usually gets what he wants.

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Post by Nick_A » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:56 am

America is unique in that unlike other countries which are built on tradition, America is built on values necessary to sustain a free society. That is why those in pursuit of establishing statist slavery with the final goal of communism must destroy these values.

America once had a North Star, the collective belief in God which acted as a guiding principal. It was what made the respect for diversity possible. Diverse people could still have the same American values which made freedom possible.

America has lost its north Star. The guiding principle from above is rejected It has been replaced by secular hypocrisy. Now selfishness and the loss of even remembering American values has become the guiding cultural force. Under these circumstances diversity can only result in the quickening demise of America as intended by its founders.

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Post by Greta » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:03 am

The US is by far the most religious western nation http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... y-nations/
In 1966, Time magazine famously examined whether the United States was on a path to secularization when it published its now-iconic “Is God Dead?” cover. However, the question proved premature: The U.S. remains a robustly religious country and the most devout of all the rich Western democracies.

In fact, Americans pray more often, are more likely to attend weekly religious services and ascribe higher importance to faith in their lives than adults in other wealthy, Western democracies, such as Canada, Australia and most European states, according to a recent Pew Research Center study.

For instance, more than half of American adults (55%) say they pray daily, compared with 25% in Canada, 18% in Australia and 6% in Great Britain. (The average European country stands at 22%.) Actually, when it comes to their prayer habits, Americans are more like people in many poorer, developing nations – including South Africa (52%), Bangladesh (57%) and Bolivia (56%) – than people in richer countries.

As it turns out, the U.S. is the only country out of 102 examined in the study that has higher-than-average levels of both prayer and wealth. In every other country surveyed with a gross domestic product of more than $30,000 per person, fewer than 40% of adults say they pray every day.

... More recently, some sociologists have argued that there is a link between relatively high levels of income inequality in the U.S. and continued high levels of religiosity. These researchers posit that less-well-off people in the U.S. and other countries with high levels of income inequality may be more likely to seek comfort in religious faith because they also are more likely to experience financial and other insecurities.
So much hatred and division in the US, and so much religion. The world has turned and the "North Star" to which Americans cling no longer points the way home.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by artisticsolution » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:11 am

Hey "whitey" , your reign is over. Get used to it.

This thread is completely ridicules and a waste of time. There is really only one solution whitey...if you dont like it then start fucking amongst yourselves and breed. :roll:

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