Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:49 pm
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/24/67981357 ... rawal-plan
Quote from a Syrian Kurd in the article:
"If they [US forces] will leave, we will curse them as traitors," he says. "The Kurds helped them to destroy ISIS. ... I have seven people from my family who were fighting ISIS and who were killed. And they were very young, not even in their 20s."
This is so weird. I thought ISIS was the one running around remorselessly killing people (like the Kurds) and that we were there helping the Kurds defend themselves from them. Now the story seems to be that we weren't defending the Kurds at all, they were fighting for us to help us get what we wanted or something?
It's so difficult to follow who is helping who anymore.
indeed diff to follow.
Kurds are tough, denied their homeland promised in 1914? via the brits. promise not kept.
and making it the last 30 yrs on the ground in northern iraq - in reality if not on writing on a document.
they are fighters and will end up ok, even when "we" leave.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:49 pm
This is why I really hate it when our leaders send our troops ANYWHERE for ANYTHING (unless it was to actually repel an invasion force that was about to land on US soil or something). We literally can't do ANYTYHING right. If we keep our troops there, we're just a bunch of militarists who are interfering in someone else's politics. If we withdraw, then we're betraying the people we were supposed to have been defending. It sounds like what happened with Vietnam when the "communists" finally won and people were fleeing in droves from all their reprisals.
agreed, there are smart wars and dumb ones (civlians of the army partaking need to learn which is which - Nam, and Iraqnam were dumb, first Gulf War not dumb).
Vietnamese in the south had a reason/life worth defending, but not at "our" American's evolvment - since we are defending the former French colonial regime (sadly Zia/etc did not defend his citizen's liberty over thier own enrghment/corruption.............and we (americans) had no busness in defending the corruption).
i feel for and affirm the South Vietnamese "ave joe" - liberty, but when the head of thier State is a corrupt dick, i do not affirm our involvment in said war.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:49 pm
Or maybe that's what happened with OBL when the US stopped funding the rebels in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets.
1980's per US interests at the time (OBL opposed the Soviets) supporting OBL was the correct actions per US interests.
no-one is a fortune teller, given the knows in 1980's support of OBL was the better via the lesser of evils.
it was a good call at the time and one I would have made too.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:49 pm
OBL suddenly found himself surrounded by a bunch of poorly armed but angry malcontents who decided to turn around and take it out on the people who were at first aiding them. International politics is nothing but a shit show.
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OBL had his personal motives only he and his closest would know about - and prob shifted after removing the Soviets.
I'm glad he was killed by Obama - he served the US well prior, but glad he was killed latter.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:49 pm
Had we just stayed out of all this to begin with, things would have been so much better.
must be nice to play armchair quarterback..................but in the real world hindsight is not a given.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:49 pm
There wouldn't have been anything to have reprisals over. No one would be angry at us or feel like we betrayed them. Or maybe we should just stick it out and "finish what we started". Maybe the problem is that we're giving up when we should be fighting harder and fighting to the finish?
see above.