Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by -1- » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:27 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:23 am
-1- wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:20 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:13 am


Quoting the thatcher neo-liberal kunt. Now that says it all.

There might come a day when no one has to do any work at all. Then who would 'neo-liberal' fascist kunts like you have to look down on?
What is 'work' anyway? Buying and selling foreign currency--'work' that creates nothing and ends up bankrupting countries? Is that 'work'? It might make one psychopathic shit-head rich, but is it really 'work'?
In your own words,Veggie,what constitutes the difference between these:

- a neo-liberal kunt
- an American crime monger and hate monger and language-grinder kunt;
- a feminist kunt;
- a male chauvinist kunt
- a capitalist kunt
- you, personally
- a religious kunt
- a Muslim kunt

I think we should resign to understand that kunt is a kunt is a kunt, and the definition of it is a "person or institution which pisses VegetarianTaxiDermi off for any of several childish, imbecilic, or unfairly contrived, or even realistic reasons."
Who was talking to you?
Who were you talking to?

Do you KNOW who you are talking to?

So shut the fuck up on your high fucking English horse. If you haven't noticed, it's about time: you are participating in a fucking forum, which is democratic, not some Briitish-run high-born aristocratic monarchy, and you are CERTAINLY not the sovereign, you are -- ghasp...! -- one of us, so suck it up, buttercup.

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:17 am

-1- wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:27 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:23 am
-1- wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:20 am

In your own words,Veggie,what constitutes the difference between these:

- a neo-liberal kunt
- an American crime monger and hate monger and language-grinder kunt;
- a feminist kunt;
- a male chauvinist kunt
- a capitalist kunt
- you, personally
- a religious kunt
- a Muslim kunt

I think we should resign to understand that kunt is a kunt is a kunt, and the definition of it is a "person or institution which pisses VegetarianTaxiDermi off for any of several childish, imbecilic, or unfairly contrived, or even realistic reasons."
Who was talking to you?
Who were you talking to?

Do you KNOW who you are talking to?

So shut the fuck up on your high fucking English horse. If you haven't noticed, it's about time: you are participating in a fucking forum, which is democratic, not some Briitish-run high-born aristocratic monarchy, and you are CERTAINLY not the sovereign, you are -- ghasp...! -- one of us, so suck it up, buttercup.
I'm not English, but of course everyone is 'high class' compared to Americans :lol:

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by Impenitent » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:35 am

Elvis has left the building...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eHJ12Vhpyc

-Imp

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:10 am

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"Automatons and AI machines will do the work."

Post by henry quirk » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:58 pm

What a depressing notion.

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"But with no need to keep busy in order to keep themselves alive and well, the need for meaning may manifest in gang warfare, rape, murder, torture all performed in a near-random way."

We can see this in the current celeb class (folks paid enormous sums for doin' little and adored for it). They aren't lawbreakers, of course, but they are aberrant, some in the extreme.

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"prehistoric socialism"

Clever way of plantin' that corrupt seed, that. Me, I see little in common between small groups pursuin' common goals (like livin' another day) and politburo-directed 'machines' wherein the individual is relegated to 'cog', but I'm whacky that way.

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Re: "Automatons and AI machines will do the work."

Post by -1- » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:57 am

henry quirk wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:58 pm

"prehistoric socialism"

Clever way of plantin' that corrupt seed, that. Me, I see little in common between small groups pursuin' common goals (like livin' another day) and politburo-directed 'machines' wherein the individual is relegated to 'cog', but I'm whacky that way.
You can't escape being a cog in any system, so don't hang that on communism.

Even if you are the only man on Earth, you are a cog. Of your own wheel, A one-cog wheel.

To progress, to surive, the wheel needs turning. It can't turn without an axel, a (some) cog and a rim.

If you are not a cog, you are idle, you are a burden, you are a -- that's right -- a free-wheeler. You are not pulling your own weight.

So don't diss the cog. The cog is where it's at.

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"Of your own wheel, A one-cog wheel."

Post by henry quirk » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:09 pm

Better that than bein' someone else's.

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by Belinda » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:45 pm

I think that the best effect of basic income for all is that it tides experienced or talented individuals over rough patches of illness or other misfortune until there is useful work for them.

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by Walker » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:01 pm

Because as a recipient, one is owned by the PEZ dispenser of the Basic Income.

Everybody's gotta serve somebody.

As a recipient of the Basic Income, you will now serve the dispenser, not the unpredictable free market.

Ahhh, security.

To perpetuate this set of circumstances, you know the right way to vote.

And, if you're an illegal resident, They will have your particulars as the price of Basic Income, and folks might not want that for one reason or another.

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Re: "Of your own wheel, A one-cog wheel."

Post by -1- » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:14 am

henry quirk wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:09 pm
Better that than bein' someone else's.
A. I am not convinced that being your own cog in your own wheel is better than being a cog in some society's wheel (of which you are also part-owner); and
B. you can do nothing about leaving your cogness to a communally owned wheel behind you. Once born a cog, you stay a cog. There are no known people who have gone incognito.

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Post by henry quirk » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 am

"I am not convinced that being your own cog in your own wheel is better than being a cog in some society's wheel"

I am.

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"There are no known people who have gone incognito."

HA!

That there is funny.

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Post by -1- » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:51 am

henry quirk wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 am


HA!
:D

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by Dalek Prime » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:23 am

Same reason they support the conservative cause.
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

--- Attributed to John Steinbeck

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by -1- » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:14 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:23 am
Same reason they support the conservative cause.
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

--- Attributed to John Steinbeck
Very smart.

There was actually a movement in America as well, during the last and the second last waves of movements in industrial countries, back before 1917, and maybe some in the twenties as well. I learned this from a short story, named "At The Anarchists' Convention", by John Sayles. A brilliantly written short story, shows how much we fall in love with the conceptual ideals in and of our youth, and how we never quite fall out of love with them (much like with our first love or infatuation, also shown in the story).

Americans forgot that, and had wanted to forget that as soon as possible. The forgetfulness was accelerated by unprecedented explosion of personal wealth for everyone (almost) in the USA after WWII, and by the immense swelling up of the middle class... all of a sudden all bricklayers, electricians, even factory workers and trashmen could afford to buy a home (detached single-family dwelling) for themselves and their families.

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Re: Why do lower class people oppose Basic Income?

Post by Dalek Prime » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:25 pm

-1- wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:14 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:23 am
Same reason they support the conservative cause.
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

--- Attributed to John Steinbeck
Very smart.

There was actually a movement in America as well, during the last and the second last waves of movements in industrial countries, back before 1917, and maybe some in the twenties as well. I learned this from a short story, named "At The Anarchists' Convention", by John Sayles. A brilliantly written short story, shows how much we fall in love with the conceptual ideals in and of our youth, and how we never quite fall out of love with them (much like with our first love or infatuation, also shown in the story).

Americans forgot that, and had wanted to forget that as soon as possible. The forgetfulness was accelerated by unprecedented explosion of personal wealth for everyone (almost) in the USA after WWII, and by the immense swelling up of the middle class... all of a sudden all bricklayers, electricians, even factory workers and trashmen could afford to buy a home (detached single-family dwelling) for themselves and their families.
And now they lose their homes again. And take pay cuts.

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