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Henry and the Tinfoil Hat

Post by Greta » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:53 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:53 pm
For the grass roots adherents, yes it is.

For the folks runnin' the show it's a 'means'.
It seems that you find the science boring or difficult so you reduce a physics issue to mere personalities and politics.

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Post by henry quirk » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:51 pm

Let's say human-driven climate change is real.

Would this...

"The Climate-Change fad is a religion."

For the grass roots adherents, yes it is.

For the folks runnin' the show it's a 'means'.


...be invalidated?

I don't think so.

That is: the (ir)reality of human-driven climate change has nuthin' at all to do with the fervor of the grass roots or the opportunism of the show-runners.

Zealots and Zealot Masters only require the 'Cause'...real or not is irrelevant.

You know this, Greta.

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Re:

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:16 am

henry quirk wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:51 pm
Let's say human-driven climate change is real.

Would this...

"The Climate-Change fad is a religion."

For the grass roots adherents, yes it is.

For the folks runnin' the show it's a 'means'.


...be invalidated?

I don't think so.

That is: the (ir)reality of human-driven climate change has nuthin' at all to do with the fervor of the grass roots or the opportunism of the show-runners.

Zealots and Zealot Masters only require the 'Cause'...real or not is irrelevant.

You know this, Greta.
Sorry, but you are confusing yanks with 'everyone else on the planet'. The rest of the world just doesn't 'think' the way you do, where EVERYTHING is part of a 'commie conspiracy' or political agenda. 99 percent of scientists are saying it's happening because...it's....happening, NOT because of some conpiracy to diddle giant corporations out of their 'god-given profits'.

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"99 percent of scientists are saying it's happening"

Post by henry quirk » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:03 am

Is that 99% of ALL scientiists, 99% of *'climate' scientists, or 99% of scientists polled, or...









*how many 'climate' scientists are there anyway?

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Post by Greta » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:07 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:16 am
henry quirk wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:51 pm
Let's say human-driven climate change is real.

Would this...

"The Climate-Change fad is a religion."

For the grass roots adherents, yes it is.

For the folks runnin' the show it's a 'means'.


...be invalidated?

I don't think so.

That is: the (ir)reality of human-driven climate change has nuthin' at all to do with the fervor of the grass roots or the opportunism of the show-runners.

Zealots and Zealot Masters only require the 'Cause'...real or not is irrelevant.

You know this, Greta.
Sorry, but you are confusing yanks with 'everyone else on the planet'. The rest of the world just doesn't 'think' the way you do, where EVERYTHING is part of a 'commie conspiracy' or political agenda. 99 percent of scientists are saying it's happening because...it's....happening, NOT because of some conspiracy to diddle giant corporations out of their 'god-given profits'.
That's how it looks. He just keeps on trying to play games to avoid facing the reality.

This issue is about physics, biology and technology but Henry would rather speak about the emotions of people he doesn't like.

It doesn't help that projected scenarios (melting ice, Pacific Island inundation, wildfire prevalence) keep being found to be conservative rather than alarmist. Young people have more to lose and they will be dealing with the anthropogenic environmental imbalances long after the denialists are safely tucked underground.

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"avoid facing the reality"

Post by henry quirk » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:10 am

I've offered a site with tons of 'physics, biology and technology' and neither you or veg have done much with it 'cept sniff at it, and I'm the one not facing reality?

You in particular, Greta: you pride yourself on being an advocate of science, of investigation. If you truly were you'd understand there is no 'settled' science, there's only the particular way station any particular discipline happens to be at the moment.

Me: I've expressed profound doubts about the current, conventional assessment of climate change. I've offered a site chockablock with on-going investigation and science. My mind is still open.

You and veg: not so much.

*shrug*

It's your head.

'nuff said (to you both on this subject).

For anyone less blinkered: https://wattsupwiththat.com/

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Re: "99 percent of scientists are saying it's happening"

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:41 am

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:03 am
Is that 99% of ALL scientiists, 99% of *'climate' scientists, or 99% of scientists polled, or...









*how many 'climate' scientists are there anyway?
Actually everyone on the planet. 'Deniers' are just self-serving fuckwits.

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Re: Why Liberals are better people than Conservatives

Post by gaffo » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:52 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:59 am
gaffo wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:12 am
philosopher wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:07 pm
I'm living in Europe, and here the Conservatives extends far into the left-leaning parties, even socialist parties have right wing conservatives.
where are you?

Brexit? (Englander)?

if so kiss Gibralter and N. Ireland goodbye - neither are worth "the troubles"/barbed wire/guards/etc....

say goodbye to them.

and thank your pinheaded moronic Britianers for not seeing the inevitable domino effect of that vote.

to..........losing Ireland, Gibralter and...........wait for it............wait....................wait.......

SCOTLAND - then the reforendum come around again after Brexit and the Scotts see the foolishness and dismal economy and say "fuck this UK we are out!" - to return to the EU - which they voted to stay in in 2016 anyway!

---2020

UK =England

LOL, serves the RUBES reich, the fools!
How is it any of your business what the 'Brits' want? They seemed to manage pretty well before the EU.
you offer nothing here.

yes the Brits will play "bunker" and lose not only Northern Ireland (which will be absorbed into the Republic of Ireland (ya! thanks Brixit! - could/would have been prevented it not for the 52/48 - but not so via rubic history - so take your medicine and kiss N Ireland goodbye.

and Scottland too.

2-percentage points - who would have thought - such is enough to remove the UK for a position of stature to a backwater without Ireland nor Scotland or Gibrliter.

by 2024 England with equal UK.

serves them right - that equvalency was easily seen years ago as the result of Brixit vote (if one had a fking mind! for repercussions).

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Henry's blinkers nicely match his tinfoil hat

Post by Greta » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:35 am

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:10 am
You in particular, Greta: you pride yourself on being an advocate of science, of investigation. If you truly were you'd understand there is no 'settled' science, there's only the particular way station any particular discipline happens to be at the moment.
Nonsense.

1. I don't "pride myself" in anything. I enjoy and respect science.
2. There certainly is settled science, otherwise there'd be no medicine, GPS, engineering, architecture, biology or space travel.

Nothing is ever 100% guaranteed but the science is in and you are too blinkered to accept it.

Your mind was never open. You are just following Republican policy without even having the slightest understanding, thinking your one piddly little link makes up for nearly all scientists and their lifetimes of dedication and study.

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Re: Why Liberals are better people than Conservatives

Post by Walker » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:12 am

Greta wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:35 am

Your mind was never open.
So says the book burner.

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Re: "They aren't even proper websites."

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:37 am

henry quirk wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:18 am
I see: you're a style-over-substance kinda gal.

Fair enough.

I'm guessin' you haven't actually read anything from either site, yeah?

'Decor' was just too dreary for you, yeah?

Anywho: for the rest of you, again...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/

https://danluu.com/dunning-kruger/
Is that a joke? Those links don't appear to be saying anything about anything.

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Re: Why Liberals are better people than Conservatives

Post by Atla » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:31 am

There is a Climate Change Industry and there is a Climate Change Denial Industry. $$$ is to be made on both sides, which is the main motivator here, so naturally they would battle each other.

(The fact that climate change happens to be very real, is just a side note here. If anything, it makes people invested in the Climate Change Industry happy, their side will bring in more $$$ on the long run.)

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Re: Why Liberals are better people than Conservatives

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:50 am

Atla wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:31 am
There is a Climate Change Industry and there is a Climate Change Denial Industry. $$$ is to be made on both sides, which is the main motivator here, so naturally they would battle each other.

(The fact that climate change happens to be very real, is just a side note here. If anything, it makes people invested in the Climate Change Industry happy, their side will bring in more $$$ on the long run.)
Could you describe this climate change industry and how it makes money?

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Re: Why Liberals are better people than Conservatives

Post by Atla » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:57 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:50 am
Atla wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:31 am
There is a Climate Change Industry and there is a Climate Change Denial Industry. $$$ is to be made on both sides, which is the main motivator here, so naturally they would battle each other.

(The fact that climate change happens to be very real, is just a side note here. If anything, it makes people invested in the Climate Change Industry happy, their side will bring in more $$$ on the long run.)
Could you describe this climate change industry and how it makes money?
It takes some skill not to notice a ~$1.5 trillion industry.

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Re: Why Liberals are better people than Conservatives

Post by Belinda » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:16 pm

Henry Quirk wrote:
I just don't accept the poorly presented, poorly defended, poorly evidenced idea that human industry is a prime driver of climate change.
Of course you don't accept.You don't accept science either. The sources that you do accept are biased in favour of short term money making by the moneyed people.

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