Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

[henry quirk]

Really?

Well never mind, then.

Saul was a great guy.

Wish I hadn't crapped on his grave.

[uwot]

Now you're just being a silly goose.

That's because I am talking to someone who thinks that over 5% is good when one person promises it, and bad when another actually delivers it.

[uwot]

Really?

Well never mind, then.

Saul was a great guy.

Wish I hadn't crapped on his grave.

I say Henry, have you ever considered a career in politics?

[henry quirk]

HA!

[Nick_A]

Uwot

Yes, and every philosopher since has been aware that we operate from behind a veil of perception.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:29 pm
When the state serves Man it provides what is psychologically necessary to aid in Man’s awakening so as to become normal.

Well, here's the thing; you haven't demonstrated that the way you think is actually normal. It is the first schoolboy philosophical error to assume that a narrative you have constructed must be true, because it makes sense to you. The second is to only take people who agree with you seriously; that's called confirmation bias.
We are all looking at the same shadows on the cave wall. What you have to show is that you are the one who made it out of the cave and has returned to tell us what the 'real' world is like. Sure, Plato acknowledged that any person doing so would be treated like a lunatic. So what, apart from the fact that it makes sense to you, can you tell us to persuade us that you really have seen the world outside the cave?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:29 pm

You have adopted the one world secular position..

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Really? What exactly is my position?

We do not experience normality so why would I claim to? We can experience the abnormality of the human condition which limits us as it does. I still maintain that it would be normal for a person making efforts at self knowledge to admit how they live in opposition to themselves. Why would a person verifying the corrupt human condition in themselves claim it is normal for human being?

The secular position limits itself to the horizontal sensory world of facts. It denies the third dimension of thought which enables a person to "feel" objective values. The universal perspective admits Man's potential to put facts into the conscious vertical quality of objective values. The secularist is only concerned with visible facts so lives by subjective values preferring to remain closed to the third dimension of thought.

Naturally a conflict arises between what we see and what is felt that is normally resolved by denial and hypocrisy. The true universalist, not me, is able to consciously reconcile this acquired result of the corrupt human condition. A true universlist or potential "philosopher King" would unite the objective facts of science with objective values revealed through conscious intuition or objective conscience. Obviously the world as Plato's cave isn't ready for this potential and must be violently rejected as insulting. Fortunately there is a minority who keep the human potential for normalcy alive in the world

[Nick_A]

Maybe Alinsky didn't actually write the eight levels of control but it became the basis for the Clowrd piven strtegy. The point is that it is all the same stuff. It is about replacing the goal of freedom with a form of secular slavery. Some here prefer freedom but it does seem the majority prefer statist slavery.

http://www.varight.com/news/alinskys-ru ... socialism/

WHAT CONSERVATIVES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT OBAMA’s PLAN to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA

When you first heard about Obama’s plan to fundamentally transform America, you probably wondered “into what?” Well, the answer, as many speculated, is a Social State. Socialism. And anyone that said that was mocked and ridiculed by the people who were planning to implement it. (See Rule #5 below.)

In less than 5 minutes you will know the Progressive’s plan and their tactics. Please take the time, read this and refer to it often. And tell others.

There are 2 sections in this post.

The first is the 8 point plan to implement Socialism. This plan was not enumerated in Alinsky’s book, but Alinsky inspired two Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven to devise the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” which seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This strategy is often attributed to Alinsky and left wing websites like Snopes have tried to discredit the plan by declaring it false because Alinsky didn’t actually write the 8 steps in his book. But Snopes conveniently fails to correctly attribute the work to Cloward and Piven.

The second is the 12 “Rules” for implementation of this plan. The tactics or “rules” work equally as well on the left to fight the plan, which is in it’s final stages of implementation.

Section 1:
How to create a social state – The Cloward-Piven Strategy:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.


Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.
Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state
Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)
Education – Take control of what people read and listen to us“ take control of what children learn in school.
Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

[henry quirk]

So, they're the scum.

[Nick_A]

So, they're the scum.

It won't do any good to name call. Leave that to the progressives. Freedom has a serious problem vivified by both the Alinsky rules for Radicals and the Cloward - Piven strategy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E ... n_strategy

Is there any way to awaken people to its dangers? For example the effort to overload the system with the demands of illegal aliens is just the the efforts of these types to create statist slavery to keep the peace. Of course the question is how long slaves stay peaceful. Increased control will be considered necessary to keep slaves peaceful. The fallen human condition seems incapable of collectively valuing freedom.

But people understanding the value of American ideals introduced by its founding fathers must get must join in defense of America. Will it happen? I don't know. Nothing I witness going on in America suggest anything other than the slow bur sure descent into statist slavery. Nero will fiddle while Rome burns

[Walker]

Now you're just being a silly goose.

That's because I am talking to someone who thinks that over 5% is good when one person promises it, and bad when another actually delivers it.

Ah, you're talking about when Obama printed all that money.

Looking up at that list Nick graciously provided, that would fall under, let's see ... Debt?



Speaking of that list, the gubberment under Obama would advertise for folks to go and sign up for food stamps, and would boast of the high numbers of folks on food stamps … like that was a good thing. Praising the society with food stamp targets. Bonuses to the gubberment workers involved in the achieving the target numbers which were high numbers, not low numbers. The higher the better. The rational to sign-up in Obama’s “roaring” economy?

Because food stamps “stimulate the economy.”
No really, that was the reason, unquestioned by the parroting press.

Let’s see, looking up at that list, that would be … Welfare?

Oh yeah. It's twue.

On the other hand, Trump is performing his job description in trying his best to get the folks off food stamps, as record low-unemployment, and decreased food-stamp participation shows.

[henry quirk]

I get called all manner of foul thing.

What's good for the anarchist is good for the commie (scum).

[Greta]

I get called all manner of foul thing.

What's good for the anarchist is good for the commie (scum).

I know what you mean, Henry. Only earlier today ... someone called me a "fucking crone".

Isn't that simply dreadful?

[henry quirk]

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[Nick_A]

“You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve YOUR freedom. I hope you will make a good use of it.”
-John Adams

“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms.”
-Samuel Adams

“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.”
–Benjamin Franklin

“Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature.”
-Benjamin Franklin

I posted these quotes from America's founding fathers representative of of an attitude which values freedom as something essential for human being in order to pursue the depths of the question of human meaning and purpose. The eight levels of control describe how to crush it in favor of acquiring the power necessary to establish government control. Take them one at a time to see how it works.

1. Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.

What can frighten people into surrendering freedom and becoming dependent more than controlling their health care? Lenin seems to agree

VLADIMIR LENIN: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialized State”

Is it any wonder why the progressives having become indoctrinated into furthering rules for radicals and the goals of the Cloward - Piven strategy that they have pushed so hard for Obamacare? It would give them great power. Wouldn't it be nice if health care served the people and the cause of freedom of choice rather than as a means to control people and make them dependent on government?

[Nick_A]

I get called all manner of foul thing.

What's good for the anarchist is good for the commie (scum).

I know what you mean, Henry. Only earlier today ... someone called me a "fucking crone".

Isn't that simply dreadful?

Fucking crone is a compliment. If a crone is still fucking she's got something going for her. If she's stopped fucking then of course something is lost.

[Greta]

I get called all manner of foul thing.

What's good for the anarchist is good for the commie (scum).

I know what you mean, Henry. Only earlier today ... someone called me a "fucking crone".

Isn't that simply dreadful?

Fucking crone is a compliment. If a crone is still fucking she's got something going for her. If she's stopped fucking then of course something is lost.

Indeed. That something is, in fact, fucking.