Why is racism so villified in the West?

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:25 am

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This is maybe a controversial topic, but it is a philosophy forum, so I hope we can discuss this reasonably.

There isn't a clear unambiguous definition of racism, but for the same of the argument, let me define it as a preference, that is, you prefer some people based on their race.

Now, if you have a sexual or age preference or whatever, usually nobody cares. You can say "I would only date men" or "I prefer to hang out with young people" and you'll be fine. But if you say "I would prefer to live in a white neighborhood" you're suddenly a racist and, by consequence, an evil person and your (political) career is over, you can lose your job and get physically attacked by violent groups...

So how did this come to be? When did racism/racist become this "gotcha" term that is used for regular witch hunts ("Is person X really a racist?" "Oh, I'm sure he is, let's get him!").
My theory is that it's mostly a consequence of the horrible historical events that used some kind of racism as justification for mistreatment or violence against various groups. So as soon as someone mentions race based discrimination, there are explicit or implicit associations with the KKK or the holocaust or whatever. And at the same, it seems there's a push for the idea that racial diversity is a good thing, so anything that goes against that is bad.

If we agree that mistreatment and violence are bad and discard them completely, can there still be room for peaceful voluntary racial segregation as an acceptable form of discrimination?
First of all know that it's your fear talking. I understand!

But In fact there is only one race. The Human Race!

race [reys]
noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.


Can anyone say: DNA?

You see, according to the archaeological record, all of humanity has a common origin. Somewhere in Africa actually, well so far anyway. But early humans were nomads for a variety of reasons. Food, and water scarcity, ideological differences, weather, etc.

As we moved across the surface, settling here and there, on a planet that is a metamorphosis of unevenly distributed geologics, atmospherics, biologics, altitudes, food sources, air quality, water supplies, even cosmic radiation (electromagnetic radiation), and the list goes on, we were changed by the particular environment in which we lived. Some became big, some small, some whitish, some brownish, some yellowish and some reddish. I've always though it would have been cool to have some blues, greens, and purples in there too. Kiss the rainbow I have always believed, but then that's my testosterone talking! ;-)

My question to you is, do you fear them because you think they might be bigots of your, so called, race, or are you a bigot of their, so called, race? I understand why you may be frightened, but keep in mind that there are murderers of innocence from all races, colours, creeds, religions, sizes, genders, etc. I'm whitish, and some of my best friends throughout my life were brownish. Of course these days my only friend is my wife. ;-)

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:59 am

Arising_uk wrote:
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:'Statistics' :roll: You would only cherry-pick the ones that suit you. …
:lol: Why am I not surprised you wouldn't answer. "Cherry-pick", you mean like checking how many immigrants are actually in your country, checking what your govts housing policy is towards working immigrants, discovering whether you are indigenous to your country and most importantly seeing if there is any correlation between this influx you talk about and the degradation of your environment, things like that you mean?
'Liberal-capitalist' haha. Is 'Neo-liberal' too 'Thatcherish' for you? Too discredited? Now I can see how you manage to come across as so unflappable and bland --PCtards and politicians have that in common. It's easy when you don't have a genuine bone in your body. Your smarmy 'national socialist' comments are cowardly and contemptible, but expected from a hypocritical PCtard who is used to throwing the 'r' word around but accepts that it has worn a bit thin. You are the Neo-liberal, yet call me 'right-wing'??? WTF? …
I see, so you can throw around words like 'retard'(how PC that you use euphemism for it and can't say the word "racist", by-the-by 'PCtard' used to mean a lover of PC's' as opposed to Macs but what the hey!) but you object to me using an accurate term for a socialist who is nationalistic and dislikes capitalism? You are claiming you're a socialist are you not, as I'd be surprised that a Liberal was opposed to capitalism.
As it happens, a very large percentage of the immigrant vote is going to the party that promotes Big Business/anti-people interests i.e. the 'Neo-liberal' one-- tipping the balance in our elections. …
State your country so I can fact check your assertions.
So, your beloved 'pro-capitalist' type of Govt. has landed us with the biggest debt in our history, while doing nothing of benefit (quite the opposite) to the people of the country. How do you think that works? A pro-privatisation, supposedly 'capitalist' Govt. that 'cuts costs' (no cuts for admins though) yet ends up with record debt and the highest rate of homelessness per capita in the Western world. Call me stupid, but that doesn't look like terribly good 'money-management' to me. …
Who said I was Conservative?
Where? You keep harping on about 'retraining schemes'. For what? Who conducts them? Do builders 'retrain' themselves to compete with inferior cheap builders? …
Er!? Can't you read or do you just keep those blinkers on? I said retrain the workers to do the new jobs or do you just like keeping people in back-breaking labour or is it that you just think them too stupid or too old to retrain?
I've already pointed out that it has nothing to do with lack of skills. Which part didn't you understand? …
I know, it's got to do with not wanting to work at the going market-rate. But I am a touch confused here as you said 'low-skilled' workers were your concern?
Perhaps next you will suggest 'team-building' schemes, and 'group hug' sessions. …
No, I'd suggest things like remote data server management, pays loads more and can be done from anywhere and is out of the rain.
A lot of these imports are white South Africans swarming in to escape black rule in their own country. …
Yeah, the Yah-yah's were on the building sites here for a while but they upped and moved on to better things mainly through retraining.
They don't, however, leave behind their fascist politics so they go with the closest thing to it over here--the party with the 'Neo-liberal' politics that invited them here. And Chinese and Indians aren't exactly known for their 'left' wing politics, tolerance, and desire to care for the underdog and vulnerable, whereas Polynesian immigrants assimilate well and their politics suit the character of the country. …
Which country is that?
So spare me the 'race' card and stop confusing politics with 'race' (a typical political ploy of every PCtard). …
Back to the 'retard' again I see. Where have I mentioned 'race' in this conversation?
Btw, you know it annoys me when you respond in 'dissection-mode' but you keep doing it. …
You write a whole paragraph that hangs together then I'll respond to it but until then I'll respond to your points as you raise them as in a real conversation that'd be the way it goes.
This indicates a self-centred person who is indifferent to others, even if those 'others' are only other members of an internet forum.
Does it, you a psychology graduate now? If so spare your psychobabble for those who care. Me, I just have one conversation at a time, respond to the points and it makes it easier to track back the conversation rather than this ridiculous habit of requoting the whole post or cutting and only responding to what one wishes, although I am guilty of the latter if I'm following others conversations and see a point that strikes me as questionable or interesting.
A five year old would understand. Obviously when you have a very large, increase in a population in a short space of time then it's going to have a negative impact on environment, housing, job availability, health, infrastructure etc. etc... Even those in power have admitted it was a big mistake. We aren't talking normal, manageable immigration that assimilates.
As for 'race', you couldn't have been more obvious with your 'subtle' accusation of 'national socialism'. Your references to 'keeping people in backbreaking work' have no relevance to anything I've written. Everyone can't be a 'remote data server' whatever the fuck that is, but whatever it is isn't go to pay 'shit-loads' if a large chunk of them are willing to work for peanuts. It's easy to work for peanuts when you have a cheap Govt. house, but is a big problem when you have to pay market rent. Landlords aren't partial to peanuts (especially absent overseas ones who are looking for 'maximum profit').
Googling some 'statistics' will tell you squat. They won't show you disappearing green spaces, traffic problems etc. etc. You have to live here for that. They will 'show' you whatever you want to see. I find it hilarious when I see it still at the top of some 'best places to live' lists. Who the hell compiles those? People who've never been here, that's who :lol:
'Neo-liberal' or 'Libertarian'. Call it what you like. Shit still stinks anyway.

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:51 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
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You are unbelievably thick. …
Which country was it you said you lived in?
Highly-skilled, sought-after workers are never going to be in huge numbers, and nor are they going to be willing to work for peanuts. Why should they? …
What are you babbling on about now?
I still don't know what you mean by 'retraining'. It smacks of corporate bullshit-speak. …
It mean providing life-long education opportunities. It means providing training courses to the unemployed tradesman in the growth sectors of the economy, in many cases this'll be the IT, Computing and network tech sectors.
As for your response style--go fuck yourself.
As if I seek your approbation. :roll:

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:01 pm

It's you who needs 'retraining'--in reading comprehension and logic :roll:

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:06 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:A five year old would understand. Obviously when you have a very large, increase in a population in a short space of time then it's going to have a negative impact on environment, housing, job availability, health, infrastructure etc. etc... Even those in power have admitted it was a big mistake. We aren't talking normal, manageable immigration that assimilates. …
So tell me what country it is you are talking about?
As for 'race', you couldn't have been more obvious with your 'subtle' accusation of 'national socialism'. …
You claim socialism do you not? You want a nationalist policy? Ergo...
Your references to 'keeping people in backbreaking work' have no relevance to anything I've written. …
Don't they? I thought you wanted them to remain in the low-skilled sector?
Everyone can't be a 'remote data server' whatever the fuck that is, but whatever it is isn't go to pay 'shit-loads' if a large chunk of them are willing to work for peanuts. …
There are many opportunities out there in the new technologies sectors as there are shortages in them, pretty sure more than enough to soak-up the unemployed from the low-skill building and service sectors if they get the opportunity to get an education and retrain.
It's easy to work for peanuts when you have a cheap Govt. house, but is a big problem when you have to pay market rent. Landlords aren't partial to peanuts (especially absent overseas ones who are looking for 'maximum profit'). …
Which country do you live in so I can check who has got these houses? As I'd have thought quite a few of them have your own low-skilled workers in them so they should be able to compete with these low-skilled immigrants you claim are displacing their jobs?
Googling some 'statistics' will tell you squat. …
Yes they will, they'll tell me things like what percentage of your population are immigrants, what your govt's actual housing policy is toward working immigrants, what your homelessness problem is, etc.
They won't show you disappearing green spaces, traffic problems etc. etc. …
Yes they will.
You have to live here for that. They will 'show' you whatever you want to see. I find it hilarious when I see it still at the top of some 'best places to live' lists. Who the hell compiles those? People who've never been here, that's who :lol:
Do you think the indigenous people who lived there before you and yours arrived think you a boon?

Where is it you live by the way?
'Neo-liberal' or 'Libertarian'. Call it what you like. Shit still stinks anyway.
So what do you propose?

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:26 pm

Your pompous and arrogant method of 'response' isn't possible to 'quote' so it's not even worth reading.
And your callous 'let them eat cake' (''learn rota scalping'') 'solutions' are typical of PCtard hypocrisy and general self-serving wickedness.
Why the hell should a builder 'retrain' in IT?
I don't know many people who 'break their backs' these days, unless they fall off a ladder, but that's generally not work-related.
Interesting how you just assume that an 'indigenous' person couldn't possibly be capable of stringing together more than two sentences, or be interested in philosophy or politics. You really are a racist little cock aren't you. I'm done with you. I find your racism quite nauseating.

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:20 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:26 pm
Your pompous and arrogant method of 'response' isn't possible to 'quote' so it's not even worth reading. …
Surely just not worth answering in that case?
And your callous 'let them eat cake' (''learn rota scalping'') 'solutions' are typical of PCtard hypocrisy and general self-serving wickedness.
Why the hell should a builder 'retrain' in IT? …
Because they haven't got a job?
I don't know many people who 'break their backs' these days, unless they fall off a ladder, but that's generally not work-related. …
Try labouring at the low-skilled worker level for forty years.
Interesting how you just assume that an 'indigenous' person couldn't possibly be capable of stringing together more than two sentences, or be interested in philosophy or politics. You really are a racist little cock aren't you. I'm done with you. I find your racism quite nauseating.
No idea what you are waffling on about now? I just wondered what the indigenous people and their descendents may think of the little heaven you say is being destroyed by immigrants, given that presumably you are the descendent of immigrants to your country.

Still coy about your country I see. No surprise there.

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:25 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:20 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:26 pm
Your pompous and arrogant method of 'response' isn't possible to 'quote' so it's not even worth reading. …
Surely just not worth answering?
And your callous 'let them eat cake' (''learn rota scalping'') 'solutions' are typical of PCtard hypocrisy and general self-serving wickedness.
Why the hell should a builder 'retrain' in IT? …
Because they haven't got a job?
I don't know many people who 'break their backs' these days, unless they fall off a ladder, but that's generally not work-related. …
Try labouring at the low-skilled worker level for forty years.
Interesting how you just assume that an 'indigenous' person couldn't possibly be capable of stringing together more than two sentences, or be interested in philosophy or politics. You really are a racist little cock aren't you. I'm done with you. I find your racism quite nauseating.
No idea what you are waffling on about now? I just wondered what the indigenous people and their descendents may think of the little heaven you say is being destroyed by immigrants, given that presumably you are the descendent of immigrants to your country.

Still coy about your country I see. No surprise there.
Never been 'coy' about it. Are you PE's alter ego? I won't answer personal questions on here, and only an ill mannered oaf would ask them. I've seen you use that 'technique' often, as if it somehow 'confirms' your (non) argument, again showing your cowardice. I've already explained to you what a country is. You are a very slow learner.
I said uncontrolled immigration, which meant the population was increasing a lot faster than the country could handle. Which part of that don't you understand? Even the immigrants are complaining about too many immigrants! And the people who are descended from the tribal cannibals who were here before there was a country are pissed off too and very vocal about it.
Your racism keeps getting worse.
RACIST!

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:12 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Never been 'coy' about it. Are you PE's alter ego? I won't answer personal questions on here, and only an ill mannered oaf would ask them. I've seen you use that 'technique' often, as if it somehow 'confirms' your (non) argument, again showing your cowardice. I've already explained to you what a country is. You are a very slow learner.
I said uncontrolled immigration, which meant the population was increasing a lot faster than the country could handle. Which part of that don't you understand? Even the immigrants are complaining about too many immigrants! And the people who are descended from the tribal cannibals who were here before there was a country are pissed off too and very vocal about it.
Your racism keeps getting worse.
RACIST!
:lol: You do like that word now don't you but you really have no clue about it.

Since you won't say which country you are from there is no way of checking your claims but that is always the way with the windbags.

You think these tribal cannibals would wish you gone as well if they could? And LMFAO! that you think they were here before there was a country. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:44 am

Arising_uk wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:12 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Never been 'coy' about it. Are you PE's alter ego? I won't answer personal questions on here, and only an ill mannered oaf would ask them. I've seen you use that 'technique' often, as if it somehow 'confirms' your (non) argument, again showing your cowardice. I've already explained to you what a country is. You are a very slow learner.
I said uncontrolled immigration, which meant the population was increasing a lot faster than the country could handle. Which part of that don't you understand? Even the immigrants are complaining about too many immigrants! And the people who are descended from the tribal cannibals who were here before there was a country are pissed off too and very vocal about it.
Your racism keeps getting worse.
RACIST!
:lol: You do like that word now don't you but you really have no clue about it.

Since you won't say which country you are from there is no way of checking your claims but that is always the way with the windbags.

You think these tribal cannibals would wish you gone as well if they could? And LMFAO! that you think they were here before there was a country. :lol: :lol: :lol:
How do you know I'm not descended from tribal cannibals? Those people helped make the country too you know.
Why are you pretending to laugh? We all know that PCtards have no sense of humour. Keep exploiting cheap labour then but at least be honest about it and stop hiding behind PCtardism.
RACIST!

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Post by Arising_uk » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:57 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:How do you know I'm not descended from tribal cannibals?
:lol: As if!
Those people helped make the country too you know. …
"Those people". :lol:
Why are you pretending to laugh? …
"Pretending" :lol: :lol:
We all know that PCtards have no sense of humour. …
Do 'we''?
Keep exploiting cheap labour then but at least be honest about it and stop hiding behind PCtardism. ...
:lol: Keep up the pretence that you give two shits about those who work hard for a living.
RACIST!
As if you have a clue.

What country are you from?

Do you think these ex-tribal cannibals would do away with you if they could?

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:22 am

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:22 pm

See you changed your tone. :lol:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:22 am
Why 'as if'? God, you are such a racist! I see that RACISTS never sleep. RACIST!
:lol: That's the spirit you'll be a pc retard yet.
Would 'those persons' be more to your liking? Is 'those' now unacceptable to PCtards? 'People'? 'People' is now on the PCtard blacklist? What about 'organisms of personhood'? Hmmm?
pssst Psychopaths always assume that everyone else is as cold and unempathetic as themselves. They can't comprehend otherwise (for obvious reasons). PCtards are empty and stupid individuals who long to be loved and admired, but don't know how normal people express kindness and empathy--rather like serial killers who try to adopt a 'normal' facade (which doesn't work all that well either).
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Well I've got to admit you certainly are the milk of human kindness towards the new immigrants. Amazing how selective one can be with such stuff.
pssst ''Country: a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.''
How convienient for your immigrant ancestors.

How did and are the descendents of these tribal cannibals getting on in your paradise of a country? Have you kept the place in the pristine condition you found it? Given the real massive uncontrolled immigration that presumably occurred.

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:28 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:22 pm
See you changed your tone. :lol:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:22 am
Why 'as if'? God, you are such a racist! I see that RACISTS never sleep. RACIST!
:lol: That's the spirit you'll be a pc retard yet.
Would 'those persons' be more to your liking? Is 'those' now unacceptable to PCtards? 'People'? 'People' is now on the PCtard blacklist? What about 'organisms of personhood'? Hmmm?
pssst Psychopaths always assume that everyone else is as cold and unempathetic as themselves. They can't comprehend otherwise (for obvious reasons). PCtards are empty and stupid individuals who long to be loved and admired, but don't know how normal people express kindness and empathy--rather like serial killers who try to adopt a 'normal' facade (which doesn't work all that well either).
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Well I've got to admit you certainly are the milk of human kindness towards the new immigrants. Amazing how selective one can be with such stuff.
pssst ''Country: a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.''
How convienient for your immigrant ancestors.

How did and are the descendents of these tribal cannibals getting on in your paradise of a country? Have you kept the place in the pristine condition you found it? Given the real massive uncontrolled immigration that presumably occurred.
Why 'as if'? God, you are such a racist! I see that RACISTS never sleep. RACIST!

Would 'those persons' be more to your liking? Is 'those' now unacceptable to PCtards? 'People'? 'People' is now on the PCtard blacklist? What about 'organisms of personhood'? Hmmm? I'm afraid I can't think of a PCtard-acceptable replacement for 'those' :cry:
pssst. Psychopaths always assume that everyone else is as cold and unempathetic as themselves. They can't comprehend otherwise (for obvious reasons), hence your assertion that I couldn't possibly care about people, let alone people I might not even know. This is why PCtard rules are so rigid and specific and fiercely enforced with the most unforgiving precision. PCtards are empty and stupid individuals who long to be loved and admired, but don't know how normal people express kindness and empathy--rather like serial killers who try to adopt a 'normal' facade (which doesn't work terribly well either).

pssst. ''Country: a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.''

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Re: Why is racism so villified in the West?

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:52 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:...

pssst. ''Country: a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.''
Well since you appear to claim you are a descendent of these tribal cannibals then you should be in a good position to explain what they think about the impact of the mass immigration of whites into their culture, has it been a boon? Are they fine with the idea that since they didn't have a country the whites have improved their lot by the creation of whatever country it is you claim you're in?

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