Why is racism so villified in the West?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

… Your post doesn't even make sense. Low-quality cheap labour isn't a 'boon' to anyone. Builders at 40 per hour paid taxes too, idiot. …

But then the buildings cost more to build and profits are less so companies won't have as much to re-invest or spend on other ventures and people buying the buildings will be paying more, etc, etc. Don't tell me you only think about a certain section of your society and ignore the benefits to the rest?

If you think cheap immigrants are more valuable than locals because 'we are all citizens of the universe' then kindly go fuck yourself. You probably exploit them yourself then, hence your whacky 'logic'.

You were all immigrants yourselves once I'd have thought?

Re: the unions: they should be doing their bloody job then and unionising the new workforce and also pushing Govt and business to retrain workers to the new higher paid industries, not demanding that they should have the right to be low-skilled workers.

No. I'm not an immigrant. This is my only identity.
The results speak for themselves. Thousands of homeless and even beggars on the streets, so please shove your 'neo-liberal' bullshit 'justification' up your arse. They made exactly the same argument against abolishing slavery: 'Ooh, the economy will collapse. Our profits will go down'. Why don't we just go the whole hog and not pay anyone anything? After all, slave labour is good for profits and production.

[Arising_uk]

No. I'm not an immigrant. This is my only identity. …

Somewhere down the line you came from immigrants.

The results speak for themselves. Thousands of homeless and even beggars on the streets, so please shove your 'neo-liberal' bullshit 'justification' up your arse.

I'm not a 'neo-liberal' I'm a Liberal who believes Capitalism is the best of a bad lot, like democracy. As such, I think these immigrants are people coming from a bad lot and are willing to do shitty jobs cheaper than the indigenous to survive, good as it makes things cheaper to buy and sell for the rest of us. But I also think that if people really care about the workers then they should be unionising the new ones and or forcing Govt and business to provide retraining and education for the displaced into the newer industries that are out there that pay more and not want them to remain in back-breaking labour for the rest of their lives. If there's homelessness then get you're govt to build homes, you can use the immigrants to do it cheaper. If there're beggars build libraries, colleges and schools and retrain them, it'll be cheaper in the long run.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

No, I didn't. A country is a human construct and it is humans who give countries their identity and character.
As for the rest, just more neo-liberal garbage and 'trickle-down' lies that have been proven wrong umpteen times.
I've already dealt with it all in prior posts to you. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension skills are so poor.
And there you go again with your PCtard racism, assuming that all 'non-white' people come from third-world, inferior hell-holes. It could be just that their Govts. aren't kind enough to hand them cheap housing and jobs on a plate. Or that their countries are over-populated, polluted crap-holes so they are scouting around looking for somewhere that hasn't been turned into that YET (fast heading that way though).
Too bad if our infrastructure can't cope.
Why are you assuming that the beggars and homeless can't do anything? Many of them used to be quite well off, are well educated. They've been usurped and 'restructured' (a term you are no doubt familiar with).
It's probably news to you, but money and maximum profit are not the most important things in life. Odd though that we used to have the highest standard of living in the world, and the cleanest air.

[Arising_uk]

No, I didn't. A country is a human construct and it is humans who give countries their identity and character. …

Well that and it's geography.

As for the rest, just more neo-liberal garbage and 'trickle-down' lies that have been proven wrong umpteen times. …

I told you, I'm a Liberal capitalist, no idea what you are.

I've already dealt with it all in prior posts to you. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension skills are so poor. …

Where?

And there you go again with your PCtard racism, assuming that all 'non-white' people come from third-world, inferior hell-holes. It could be just that their Govts. aren't kind enough to hand them cheap housing and jobs on a plate. …

You're government is handing out the jobs now? Where do you live?

Or that their countries are over-populated, polluted crap-holes so they are scouting around looking for somewhere that hasn't been turned into that YET (fast heading that way though). …

Too bad if our infrastructure can't cope. …

Where do you live?

Why are you assuming that the beggars and homeless can't do anything? Many of them used to be quite well off, are well educated. They've been usurped and 'restructured' (a term you are no doubt familiar with). …

Then they'd be well able to take advantage of the retraining and housing schemes that you should be demanding from your government and business.

It's probably news to you, but money and maximum profit are not the most important things in life. …

I agree but if you are going to have a capitalist economy then they are the most important things for it. As such I'm a Liberal who believes other structures should be used to ameliorate the consequences. No idea what you'd propose but assume it's some sort of right-wing anti-capitalist nationalism or maybe national socialism of some sort.

Odd though that we used to have the highest standard of living in the world, and the cleanest air.

Where do you live so I can check the statistics of your claims.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

No, I didn't. A country is a human construct and it is humans who give countries their identity and character. …

Well that and it's geography.

As for the rest, just more neo-liberal garbage and 'trickle-down' lies that have been proven wrong umpteen times. …

I told you, I'm a Liberal capitalist, no idea what you are.

I've already dealt with it all in prior posts to you. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension skills are so poor. …

Where?

And there you go again with your PCtard racism, assuming that all 'non-white' people come from third-world, inferior hell-holes. It could be just that their Govts. aren't kind enough to hand them cheap housing and jobs on a plate. …

You're government is handing out the jobs now? Where do you live?

Or that their countries are over-populated, polluted crap-holes so they are scouting around looking for somewhere that hasn't been turned into that YET (fast heading that way though). …

Too bad if our infrastructure can't cope. …

Where do you live?

Why are you assuming that the beggars and homeless can't do anything? Many of them used to be quite well off, are well educated. They've been usurped and 'restructured' (a term you are no doubt familiar with). …

Then they'd be well able to take advantage of the retraining and housing schemes that you should be demanding from your government and business.

It's probably news to you, but money and maximum profit are not the most important things in life. …

I agree but if you are going to have a capitalist economy then they are the most important things for it. As such I'm a Liberal who believes other structures should be used to ameliorate the consequences. No idea what you'd propose but assume it's some sort of right-wing anti-capitalist nationalism or maybe national socialism of some sort.

Odd though that we used to have the highest standard of living in the world, and the cleanest air.

Where do you live so I can check the statistics of your claims.

'Statistics' You would only cherry-pick the ones that suit you. 'Liberal-capitalist' haha. Is 'Neo-liberal' too 'Thatcherish' for you? Too discredited? Now I can see how you manage to come across as so unflappable and bland --PCtards and politicians have that in common. It's easy when you don't have a genuine bone in your body. Your smarmy 'national socialist' comments are cowardly and contemptible, but expected from a hypocritical PCtard who is used to throwing the 'r' word around but accepts that it has worn a bit thin. You are the Neo-liberal, yet call me 'right-wing'??? WTF?
As it happens, a very large percentage of the immigrant vote is going to the party that promotes Big Business/anti-people interests i.e. the 'Neo-liberal' one-- tipping the balance in our elections.
So, your beloved 'pro-capitalist' type of Govt. has landed us with the biggest debt in our history, while doing nothing of benefit (quite the opposite) to the people of the country. How do you think that works? A pro-privatisation, supposedly 'capitalist' Govt. that 'cuts costs' (no cuts for admins though) yet ends up with record debt and the highest rate of homelessness per capita in the Western world. Call me stupid, but that doesn't look like terribly good 'money-management' to me.
Where? You keep harping on about 'retraining schemes'. For what? Who conducts them? Do builders 'retrain' themselves to compete with inferior cheap builders? I've already pointed out that it has nothing to do with lack of skills. Which part didn't you understand? Perhaps next you will suggest 'team-building' schemes, and 'group hug' sessions.
A lot of these imports are white South Africans swarming in to escape black rule in their own country. They don't, however, leave behind their fascist politics so they go with the closest thing to it over here--the party with the 'Neo-liberal' politics that invited them here. And Chinese and Indians aren't exactly known for their 'left' wing politics, tolerance, and desire to care for the underdog and vulnerable, whereas Polynesian immigrants assimilate well and their politics suit the character of the country. So spare me the 'race' card and stop confusing politics with 'race' (a typical political ploy of every PCtard).
Btw, you know it annoys me when you respond in 'dissection-mode' but you keep doing it. This indicates a self-centred person who is indifferent to others, even if those 'others' are only other members of an internet forum.

[Arising_uk]

'Statistics' You would only cherry-pick the ones that suit you. …

Why am I not surprised you wouldn't answer. "Cherry-pick", you mean like checking how many immigrants are actually in your country, checking what your govts housing policy is towards working immigrants, discovering whether you are indigenous to your country and most importantly seeing if there is any correlation between this influx you talk about and the degradation of your environment, things like that you mean?

'Liberal-capitalist' haha. Is 'Neo-liberal' too 'Thatcherish' for you? Too discredited? Now I can see how you manage to come across as so unflappable and bland --PCtards and politicians have that in common. It's easy when you don't have a genuine bone in your body. Your smarmy 'national socialist' comments are cowardly and contemptible, but expected from a hypocritical PCtard who is used to throwing the 'r' word around but accepts that it has worn a bit thin. You are the Neo-liberal, yet call me 'right-wing'??? WTF? …

I see, so you can throw around words like 'retard'(how PC that you use euphemism for it and can't say the word "racist", by-the-by 'PCtard' used to mean a lover of PC's' as opposed to Macs but what the hey!) but you object to me using an accurate term for a socialist who is nationalistic and dislikes capitalism? You are claiming you're a socialist are you not, as I'd be surprised that a Liberal was opposed to capitalism.

As it happens, a very large percentage of the immigrant vote is going to the party that promotes Big Business/anti-people interests i.e. the 'Neo-liberal' one-- tipping the balance in our elections. …

State your country so I can fact check your assertions.

So, your beloved 'pro-capitalist' type of Govt. has landed us with the biggest debt in our history, while doing nothing of benefit (quite the opposite) to the people of the country. How do you think that works? A pro-privatisation, supposedly 'capitalist' Govt. that 'cuts costs' (no cuts for admins though) yet ends up with record debt and the highest rate of homelessness per capita in the Western world. Call me stupid, but that doesn't look like terribly good 'money-management' to me. …

Who said I was Conservative?

Where? You keep harping on about 'retraining schemes'. For what? Who conducts them? Do builders 'retrain' themselves to compete with inferior cheap builders? …

Er!? Can't you read or do you just keep those blinkers on? I said retrain the workers to do the new jobs or do you just like keeping people in back-breaking labour or is it that you just think them too stupid or too old to retrain?

I've already pointed out that it has nothing to do with lack of skills. Which part didn't you understand? …

I know, it's got to do with not wanting to work at the going market-rate. But I am a touch confused here as you said 'low-skilled' workers were your concern?

Perhaps next you will suggest 'team-building' schemes, and 'group hug' sessions. …

No, I'd suggest things like remote data server management, pays loads more and can be done from anywhere and is out of the rain.

A lot of these imports are white South Africans swarming in to escape black rule in their own country. …

Yeah, the Yah-yah's were on the building sites here for a while but they upped and moved on to better things mainly through retraining.

They don't, however, leave behind their fascist politics so they go with the closest thing to it over here--the party with the 'Neo-liberal' politics that invited them here. And Chinese and Indians aren't exactly known for their 'left' wing politics, tolerance, and desire to care for the underdog and vulnerable, whereas Polynesian immigrants assimilate well and their politics suit the character of the country. …

Which country is that?

So spare me the 'race' card and stop confusing politics with 'race' (a typical political ploy of every PCtard). …

Back to the 'retard' again I see. Where have I mentioned 'race' in this conversation?

Btw, you know it annoys me when you respond in 'dissection-mode' but you keep doing it. …

You write a whole paragraph that hangs together then I'll respond to it but until then I'll respond to your points as you raise them as in a real conversation that'd be the way it goes.

This indicates a self-centred person who is indifferent to others, even if those 'others' are only other members of an internet forum.

Does it, you a psychology graduate now? If so spare your psychobabble for those who care. Me, I just have one conversation at a time, respond to the points and it makes it easier to track back the conversation rather than this ridiculous habit of requoting the whole post or cutting and only responding to what one wishes, although I am guilty of the latter if I'm following others conversations and see a point that strikes me as questionable or interesting.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You are unbelievably thick.

[Dalek Prime]

Hate should be vilified. Racism is hate. Do you really want to waste your life gnarled up inside? Go ahead then, but keep it to yourself.

[Arising_uk]

You are unbelievably thick.

Which country was it you live in?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You are unbelievably thick. Highly-skilled, sought-after workers are never going to be in huge numbers, and nor are they going to be willing to work for peanuts. Why should they? I still don't know what you mean by 'retraining'. It smacks of corporate bullshit-speak.
As for your response style--go fuck yourself.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Hate should be vilified. Racism is hate. Do you really want to waste your life gnarled up inside? Go ahead then, but keep it to yourself.

Piss off Pollyanna.

[Dalek Prime]

Hate should be vilified. Racism is hate. Do you really want to waste your life gnarled up inside? Go ahead then, but keep it to yourself.

Piss off Pollyanna.

I was speaking to the OP, not you. So what's bugging you now. Veg?

Dalek, btw. Dalek...

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You are unbelievably thick.

Which country was it you live in?

Pathetic diversion, Neo-liberal turd.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Hate should be vilified. Racism is hate. Do you really want to waste your life gnarled up inside? Go ahead then, but keep it to yourself.

Piss off Pollyanna.

I was speaking to the OP, not you. So what's bugging you now. Veg?

Dalek, btw. Dalek...

Sorry. Thought you were reprimanding me for squishing AUK into the mud. Don't worry, he has no feelings anyway (unless you regard greed as a 'feeling').

[Dalek Prime]

Piss off Pollyanna.

I was speaking to the OP, not you. So what's bugging you now. Veg?

Dalek, btw. Dalek...

Sorry. Thought you were reprimanding me for squishing AUK into the mud. Don't worry, he has no feelings anyway.

No, I wouldn't stop you doing so anyway lol. No problem veg.