Is the UN worth it?
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Is the UN worth it?
Depending on what you focus on, you may feel either way on the United Nations. Are they worth it?
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Re: Is the UN worth it?
Have you any idea what-all the various UN agencies have done in the last half century?
https://www.unsystem.org/members/specialized-agencies
Lots of people don't know or care. But, in terms of saving and improving human life, WHO alone is "worth it".
https://www.unsystem.org/members/specialized-agencies
Lots of people don't know or care. But, in terms of saving and improving human life, WHO alone is "worth it".
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Including UNICEF, I've heard pros and cons on the UN over the years (other examples would be parking tickets, anti-Israeli bias, etc.)Skip wrote: โTue Jul 17, 2018 7:32 pm Have you any idea what-all the various UN agencies have done in the last half century?
https://www.unsystem.org/members/specialized-agencies
Lots of people don't know or care. But, in terms of saving and improving human life, WHO alone is "worth it".
PhilX
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You've heard people being against parking tickets as an indictment of the world court, peacekeeping, vaccinations, drought relief,Philosophy Explorer wrote: โTue Jul 17, 2018 9:39 pm Including UNICEF, I've heard pros and cons on the UN over the years (other examples would be parking tickets, anti-Israeli bias, etc.)
PhilX
epidemiology, nuclear facility inspection...? Parking tickets?
I'm not going to ask what 'anti-Israeli' bias means, though I can take a wild guess at the source of that accusation. When you "hear" pros and cons, it might be well to consider the source.
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Re: Is the UN worth it?
Never been able to work out what exactly it does. Seems to attract has-been politicians and leaders.
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If I was Scandinavian I would think it a very good thing and find Trump's rejection of Europe and accommodation of Putin alarming.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... st-russia/
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... st-russia/
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Is there a point here??Greta wrote: โWed Jul 18, 2018 12:36 am If I was Scandinavian I would think it a very good thing and find Trump's rejection of Europe and accommodation of Putin alarming.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... st-russia/
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This article describes the anti-Israeli bias:Skip wrote: โTue Jul 17, 2018 11:13 pmYou've heard people being against parking tickets as an indictment of the world court, peacekeeping, vaccinations, drought relief,Philosophy Explorer wrote: โTue Jul 17, 2018 9:39 pm Including UNICEF, I've heard pros and cons on the UN over the years (other examples would be parking tickets, anti-Israeli bias, etc.)
PhilX
epidemiology, nuclear facility inspection...? Parking tickets?
I'm not going to ask what 'anti-Israeli' bias means, though I can take a wild guess at the source of that accusation. When you "hear" pros and cons, it might be well to consider the source.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel, ... ed_Nations
I once heard that the US was annoyed that the UN was behind on paying its rent (I don't know if that issue was resolved which is very minor). WHO is a great organization. The Korean War was conducted by the UN, in part, because the Chinese boycotted the Security Council who would have voted against the UN going to war. So on balance the question stands: is the UN a worthwhile organization?
PhilX
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I think you will find that people who despise Israel will generally sing the praises of the UN. Make of that what you will.
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I don't like a lot of the actions that have been backed by it. Generally, people who have seen me talking about things know that I am pretty isolationist, and I don't think we should meddle with other countries, especially ones that aren't our allies and have nothing to offer us. As far as keeping international law, I don't know how I feel about that, but the humanitarian stuff is probably also better off being left to charities.
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That's very good of you.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: โWed Jul 18, 2018 8:38 pm I don't like a lot of the actions that have been backed by it. Generally, people who have seen me talking about things know that I am pretty isolationist, and I don't think we should meddle with other countries, especially ones that aren't our allies and have nothing to offer us. As far as keeping international law, I don't know how I feel about that, but the humanitarian stuff is probably also better off being left to charities.
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Glad you choose to not give me any shit because when I've said that before you deny that's my actual position. So today we get good vege.
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of course they are, as is NATO.Philosophy Explorer wrote: โTue Jul 17, 2018 3:10 pm Depending on what you focus on, you may feel either way on the United Nations. Are they worth it?
PhilX
Rule of Law is important Sir.
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me too! do i have to be an swede? or is being an american that value the Rule of Law good enough for you?Greta wrote: โWed Jul 18, 2018 12:36 am If I was Scandinavian I would think it a very good thing and find Trump's rejection of Europe and accommodation of Putin alarming.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... st-russia/
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is it bias to oppose illegal occupaton (via the Geneva Accords - which Israel signed), and racial bigotry/subjegation of peoples living in lands illegally occupied?Philosophy Explorer wrote: โWed Jul 18, 2018 1:01 amThis article describes the anti-Israeli bias:Skip wrote: โTue Jul 17, 2018 11:13 pmYou've heard people being against parking tickets as an indictment of the world court, peacekeeping, vaccinations, drought relief,Philosophy Explorer wrote: โTue Jul 17, 2018 9:39 pm Including UNICEF, I've heard pros and cons on the UN over the years (other examples would be parking tickets, anti-Israeli bias, etc.)
PhilX
epidemiology, nuclear facility inspection...? Parking tickets?
I'm not going to ask what 'anti-Israeli' bias means, though I can take a wild guess at the source of that accusation. When you "hear" pros and cons, it might be well to consider the source.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel, ... ed_Nations
I once heard that the US was annoyed that the UN was behind on paying its rent (I don't know if that issue was resolved which is very minor). WHO is a great organization. The Korean War was conducted by the UN, in part, because the Chinese boycotted the Security Council who would have voted against the UN going to war. So on balance the question stands: is the UN a worthwhile organization?
PhilX
South Africa calling!